Thoughts on Dexcool v.s. Green
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
again with the threats? this is a bannable offense, right? i'm sooo scared 
you've been assuming the whole thread. i figured i'd try.
you're right, i've never helped anyone. i have a PM box full of people i've never helped
we're all jealous of your expertise. shouldn't you be at work or something, or do you have no job? or do you have one of those jobs where you just sit on the internet all day? maybe you should be more concerned with helping your family, or will no woman have you?
damn, the truth hurts
if i'm a clown, than what are you? a middle-aged guy with mediocre automotive skills that feels the need to argue with a 20 year old about his waterpump is greater than doing work at his job?
you've been assuming the whole thread. i figured i'd try.
you're right, i've never helped anyone. i have a PM box full of people i've never helped
we're all jealous of your expertise. shouldn't you be at work or something, or do you have no job? or do you have one of those jobs where you just sit on the internet all day? maybe you should be more concerned with helping your family, or will no woman have you? damn, the truth hurts
if i'm a clown, than what are you? a middle-aged guy with mediocre automotive skills that feels the need to argue with a 20 year old about his waterpump is greater than doing work at his job?Anyone that would take your advice is not going to have a good future with cars.
I am at work, thats right I sit here all day and get paid a lot of $$ to do it.
I get any girl i want, and you would drool over my wife if you saw her. And my family doesnt need any help, we both make a lot of $$ and my son lives a great life.
Im not mid aged, im 24.
My automotive skills are pretty good for being in the IT field for work. Good enough where i can build and swap an LS1 all by myself in 2 days. Sure beats not being able to change a water pump.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by Cop Car
facts/logic/truth > Choco
Originally Posted by Cop Car
do you even know if your water pump was leaking from the weap hole (know what that is?) or if it was leaking from the gaskets where it is attached to the block.
Originally Posted by Cop Car
the funny part is that you put a brand new water pump on it and the green coolant destroyed it in a matter of minutes (at least by your logic that if a water pump goes out it can only be the fault of the coolant).
Originally Posted by Cop Car
just because i put Shell gas in my car, and then i have a fuel pump go out dosent automaticly mean that the Shell gas is to blame.
Originally Posted by Cop Car
my car and my brothers car both got their dexcool changed at 50k my water pump went out after 140k, but the gaskets were fine, in fact i reused them with 0 leaks. my brothers car now has 130k on it and has the coolant changed once. just because you were TOLD by a mechanic that you need a water pump, and dex cool was the reason why it went out, dosent make it true.
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From: Philly
Originally Posted by brad8266
Im not banned, and you should be scared.
Originally Posted by brad8266
Anyone that would take your advice is not going to have a good future with cars.
Originally Posted by brad8266
I am at work, thats right I sit here all day and get paid a lot of $$ to do it.
Originally Posted by brad8266
I get any girl i want, you would drool over my wife if you saw her.
Originally Posted by brad8266
Im not mid aged, im 24.
Originally Posted by brad8266
My automotive skills are pretty good. Good enough where i can build and swap an LS1 all by myself in 2 days.
btw, i told you the polls would get locked. i love it when **** backfires
because you might run into me one day.
becasue you know nothing about cars.
I make well over 40K, lol. What do you make again? Oh wait you are just a college student right? lol
I dont show off my wife on the Internet.
I have done more than swap a cam. How much have you done? Like you are going to design a whole new motor yourself,
. Youre a joke man.
What backfired? The poll got locked, I figured it would, no biggie.
becasue you know nothing about cars.
I make well over 40K, lol. What do you make again? Oh wait you are just a college student right? lol
I dont show off my wife on the Internet.
I have done more than swap a cam. How much have you done? Like you are going to design a whole new motor yourself,
. Youre a joke man.What backfired? The poll got locked, I figured it would, no biggie.
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From: Philly
look, i really can't do this anymore. all i did was post about my problems with my waterpump and dexcool. dexcool chewed up my waterpump. there's no arguing that. that is fact. dexcool has had its problems. these problems resulted in a class action lawsuit that involved 8 states. that's a fact that cannot be disputed. i feel more comfortable running green coolant as it has a history of being more gentle on seals. most mechanics will agree with this. if you don't, run dexcool.
i don't know how this went from me talking about my waterpump to threats of getting jumped by some 24 year old and his little brother while he screws off at his dead-end job, but it happened. i'm personally bored with this. post up whatever you want, i'm not going to reply. if it makes you feel any better, you beat me. i have no clue what i'm talking about, blah blah blah. i hope this makes your dick feel bigger than it really is. i just feel the need to be the most mature of the immature, and i'm getting out of this while i still can. this is gonna be locked real soon.
and brad, i make almost 40k a year on internships.
for all the rest of you that don't believe dexcool causes problems, then why was there a lawsuit regarding it? dexcool's lifespan is grossly overstated, and this is why GM had to redesign gaskets so it could tolerate dexcool's harshness on them.
i don't know how this went from me talking about my waterpump to threats of getting jumped by some 24 year old and his little brother while he screws off at his dead-end job, but it happened. i'm personally bored with this. post up whatever you want, i'm not going to reply. if it makes you feel any better, you beat me. i have no clue what i'm talking about, blah blah blah. i hope this makes your dick feel bigger than it really is. i just feel the need to be the most mature of the immature, and i'm getting out of this while i still can. this is gonna be locked real soon.
and brad, i make almost 40k a year on internships.
for all the rest of you that don't believe dexcool causes problems, then why was there a lawsuit regarding it? dexcool's lifespan is grossly overstated, and this is why GM had to redesign gaskets so it could tolerate dexcool's harshness on them.
with all the time you spent typing out these huge responses you could have replaced your own water pump haha. dont say that you dont have any time.
dexcool wasnt the reason why you had issues. otherwise it would be all over these boards, instead its a handfull of people who think the green stuff is somehow better. how often do you hear about people blowing up their 4L60es, blowing monsoon speakers, having window motors go out. those arent even huge issues, but they show up 100xs more frequently than the few "dexcool ate my seals, my dog and my baby" threads
dexcool wasnt the reason why you had issues. otherwise it would be all over these boards, instead its a handfull of people who think the green stuff is somehow better. how often do you hear about people blowing up their 4L60es, blowing monsoon speakers, having window motors go out. those arent even huge issues, but they show up 100xs more frequently than the few "dexcool ate my seals, my dog and my baby" threads
Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369
look, i really can't do this anymore. all i did was post about my problems with my waterpump and dexcool. dexcool chewed up my waterpump. there's no arguing that. that is fact. dexcool has had its problems. these problems resulted in a class action lawsuit that involved 8 states. that's a fact that cannot be disputed. i feel more comfortable running green coolant as it has a history of being more gentle on seals. most mechanics will agree with this. if you don't, run dexcool.
i don't know how this went from me talking about my waterpump to threats of getting jumped by some 24 year old and his little brother while he screws off at his dead-end job, but it happened. i'm personally bored with this. post up whatever you want, i'm not going to reply. if it makes you feel any better, you beat me. i have no clue what i'm talking about, blah blah blah. i hope this makes your dick feel bigger than it really is. i just feel the need to be the most mature of the immature, and i'm getting out of this while i still can. this is gonna be locked real soon.
and brad, i make almost 40k a year on internships.
i don't know how this went from me talking about my waterpump to threats of getting jumped by some 24 year old and his little brother while he screws off at his dead-end job, but it happened. i'm personally bored with this. post up whatever you want, i'm not going to reply. if it makes you feel any better, you beat me. i have no clue what i'm talking about, blah blah blah. i hope this makes your dick feel bigger than it really is. i just feel the need to be the most mature of the immature, and i'm getting out of this while i still can. this is gonna be locked real soon.
and brad, i make almost 40k a year on internships.
I make more at my dead end job than you wish you could made.
Good for your internship, too bad I make nowhere near 40K anyway, 40K is pocket change buddy. You arent anywhere near the big dogs.
Youre a ******* clown, go away thank you. yay my dick feels bigger, lol.
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Chaco:
For you to say that Dex is the sole reason for your seals going bad is beyond absurd. If that is the case, then please explain the millions of seals going bad in prior generation engines that used green. Using your theory, if an engine seal goes bad and develops a leak, then it has to be the oil used and not just a bad seal. I believe that you had a seal leak, like millions of others using green...end of story. I'm not attacking you personally since I don't know you...just your reasoning. It's been beat to death that, yes, regardless of the coolant, it should be changed regularly.
One point I'd like to make is that nobody has mentioned that when a car goes in for service (oil change, whatever) that the lowest paid employee, and least experienced, is doing the work. Who in the hell knows what they put in your reservoir if they think it's low. I have worked for service departments and seen the dumbest **** done to vehicles. When they fill up your windshield washer res. do you think they use washer fluid? hell no, it's plain water. The same has been done with coolant systems...the tech (using the word loosely) thinks it needs to be filled so in goes the TAP water. OR they mix the two (green and dex) out of laziness, ignorance, or lack of proper coolant at the time.
For you to say that Dex is the sole reason for your seals going bad is beyond absurd. If that is the case, then please explain the millions of seals going bad in prior generation engines that used green. Using your theory, if an engine seal goes bad and develops a leak, then it has to be the oil used and not just a bad seal. I believe that you had a seal leak, like millions of others using green...end of story. I'm not attacking you personally since I don't know you...just your reasoning. It's been beat to death that, yes, regardless of the coolant, it should be changed regularly.
One point I'd like to make is that nobody has mentioned that when a car goes in for service (oil change, whatever) that the lowest paid employee, and least experienced, is doing the work. Who in the hell knows what they put in your reservoir if they think it's low. I have worked for service departments and seen the dumbest **** done to vehicles. When they fill up your windshield washer res. do you think they use washer fluid? hell no, it's plain water. The same has been done with coolant systems...the tech (using the word loosely) thinks it needs to be filled so in goes the TAP water. OR they mix the two (green and dex) out of laziness, ignorance, or lack of proper coolant at the time.
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From: Schiller Park, ILL Member: #317
This thread has really taken a nasty direction. People talking about getting in fights over what... coolant? LOL. Wow. Guys, it's really not worth it. 
I think the usefulness of this thread has expired.
Summary:
I think we can all agree that whatever coolant you use, change it often and you will be ok. Leave it in too long (green or dex) and you will be at risk for issues. Period. Not to say that some people aren't lucky enough to escape unharmed from poor cooling system maintanence, but the point is, leave any coolant in too long and the risk is there.
Without input from some chemical engineers that are familar enough with both coolant types to break down their respective ingredients for us, and what effect each has on seals/gaskets/etc both when new and when overdue for a change, all we can really do is pass around heresay and personal experiance. Both of which can be very motivating for an individual, but not necessarily for the entire group. Frankly, I think it's obvious that no one here is going to change anyone else's mind at this point, so really this topic is just beating a dead horse.
I think the usefulness of this thread has expired.
Summary:
I think we can all agree that whatever coolant you use, change it often and you will be ok. Leave it in too long (green or dex) and you will be at risk for issues. Period. Not to say that some people aren't lucky enough to escape unharmed from poor cooling system maintanence, but the point is, leave any coolant in too long and the risk is there.
Without input from some chemical engineers that are familar enough with both coolant types to break down their respective ingredients for us, and what effect each has on seals/gaskets/etc both when new and when overdue for a change, all we can really do is pass around heresay and personal experiance. Both of which can be very motivating for an individual, but not necessarily for the entire group. Frankly, I think it's obvious that no one here is going to change anyone else's mind at this point, so really this topic is just beating a dead horse.
Last edited by RPM WS6; Mar 22, 2007 at 03:35 PM.
ChocoTaco369:
im way too lazy to read everything word for word, but from skimming this thread.... you're still coming off as a uneducated (in auto mechanics) fool whos misapplying logic and making poor conclusions as the basis for a fundamentally flawed argument.
best advice i can give you is to stop talking about what you think, or what you've read, or what you've been told.. change your screen name, and lie low for awhile.. atleast then when you need some tech help, you wont be completely ignored or BSed...
im way too lazy to read everything word for word, but from skimming this thread.... you're still coming off as a uneducated (in auto mechanics) fool whos misapplying logic and making poor conclusions as the basis for a fundamentally flawed argument.
best advice i can give you is to stop talking about what you think, or what you've read, or what you've been told.. change your screen name, and lie low for awhile.. atleast then when you need some tech help, you wont be completely ignored or BSed...
See Choco has done this exact same tactic in many other threads. He gets pinned into a corner with his stupid false technical statements and then he will proceed with how he doesnt waste his time on cars and such because he has better things to do and all this money to make. He then will always try to say that everyone has these dead end jobs that nobody makes money in. And then he always mentions how he is just the brightest person out there and has these big plans that are just so much better than everyone elses. He also assumes that everyone else is greatly in debt over their car hobby and he is smarter than us to let that happen like we are losers for having the money to afford our car hobbies. He does this same **** in every thread once his dumb technical statements get rebuffed. He has this notion that he is better than everyone else yet he isnt **** to anyone. Just another punk *** kid from Jersey with his ****** nose up in the air that thinks he is above and beyond everyone else. I know these types since I lived there till i was 18.
Last edited by brad8266; Mar 22, 2007 at 04:16 PM.
Originally Posted by MavZ28
its sad, too bad this thread got ruined.
Originally Posted by lethalyoyo
we need to make a POLL post and vote dex or green no chat and see what is on top
and due to the general nature of most people to not change without reason, combined with the fact that ALL modern GMs for over a decade have had dexcool, dexcool would win the poll.
I hate to chime in a bit late but I am going to and I happen to agree with Choco 100%. My 98 Trans Am had bad waterpump gaskets at 23,000 miles. I relaced the gaskets and flushed the motor to get rid of the crappy Dexcool and replaced it with Green Coolant. Not only did I not have any more problems but my car ran on average about 10 degrees cooler.
Lost of bullshit name calling in this thread thats not needed.
Lost of bullshit name calling in this thread thats not needed.
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Originally Posted by DSG
I hate to chime in a bit late but I am going to and I happen to agree with Choco 100%. My 98 Trans Am had bad waterpump gaskets at 23,000 miles. I relaced the gaskets and flushed the motor to get rid of the crappy Dexcool and replaced it with Green Coolant. Not only did I not have any more problems but my car ran on average about 10 degrees cooler.
Lost of bullshit name calling in this thread thats not needed.
Lost of bullshit name calling in this thread thats not needed.
Tim
Someone already posted this in the other thread but "motor age" magazine which is a publication of the ASE group has already done a study and did in fact conclude that GM Dexcool eats away at gasket material.....
Maybe someone can find that article...
Maybe someone can find that article...