Is tire width as important as we think it is?
05-22-2007, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by treyZ28
The rubber compound (sidewall and tread) along with tread pattern make a huge difference. Hop on a sport bike with shitty tires and then on one with good tires. As a matter of fact, I'd suggest a bike to anyone who wants to experience this stuff. Everything from powering through corners to chassis flex to the importance of good rubber.
05-22-2007, 12:14 PM
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Like I always say...college kids are dumb...this section should be renamed to 90% 1st year engineering students and 10% ppl who know wtf they're talking about tech...Do you honestly think your 3 variable equation in physics I can be applied here? Wait till you get out of college and get some real and practical knowledge and sense before you try and solve this with math.
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05-23-2007, 01:28 PM
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When I bought my Z used it alrady had 11" rims on it so I don't have much of a choice. Now if I can just figure out why Nitto 315/35/17 drag radials are narrower that 315/35/17 BFG drag radials.
05-23-2007, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MrDude_1
yea.. but that can set you into a diffrent mindset too.. i can have you hop on a bike with a 160 tire... and then goto a bike with a 180 or 190.... and suddenly you think.. WOW, i turn a hell of alot better with that 160... 
05-23-2007, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 99ws6taconvertible
Like I always say...college kids are dumb...this section should be renamed to 90% 1st year engineering students and 10% ppl who know wtf they're talking about tech...Do you honestly think your 3 variable equation in physics I can be applied here? Wait till you get out of college and get some real and practical knowledge and sense before you try and solve this with math.
05-23-2007, 04:34 PM
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Found this, some interesting info,
Importance of tire compound
http://unisci.com/stories/20022/0612023.htm
Importance of tire compound
http://unisci.com/stories/20022/0612023.htm
05-24-2007, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by proporio
Found this, some interesting info,
Importance of tire compound
http://unisci.com/stories/20022/0612023.htm
Importance of tire compound
http://unisci.com/stories/20022/0612023.htm
From the above link:
"In contrast to dry-weather tires in Formula One racing, which exude resins and actually even out irregularities in the asphalt, thus considerably improving the area of contact, normal tires do not secrete any fluid since the disadvantage of "Schumi" & Co's good road holding properties is the considerable tire wear. Racing tires are literally sucked dry."
I want some F1 tires on my car, if only for a few hours...
06-26-2007, 03:59 AM
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F1 Tires? F1 Teams dont develop their tires, they are provided to the teams at each race from one manufacturer. They can select from up to 4 compounds, however only 2 are available per race. The move to grooved tires from slicks was a rule change designed to reduce maximum speeds. Similarly wheel size is dictated by the rules, I believe OZ makes all of the wheels to spec, the only variation being the drive splines...each team has their own hub design. The sidewalls are incredibly stiff, in contrast to a drag tire. This allows for stability during cornering. It would be easier to use a larger wheel, lower profile as someone stated earlier..but the rules do not allow it.
06-26-2007, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Ruckus46Gt
does the amount of extra traction given by wider tires compensate for the extra weight however
i suppose the generic answer for them all would be, if you're not hooking with what you have.. yes. it should help. lol.
06-26-2007, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nogaromariner
F1 Teams dont develop their tires, they are provided to the teams at each race from one manufacturer. They can select from up to 4 compounds, however only 2 are available per race. The move to grooved tires from slicks was a rule change designed to reduce maximum speeds. Similarly wheel size is dictated by the rules, I believe OZ makes all of the wheels to spec, the only variation being the drive splines...each team has their own hub design. The sidewalls are incredibly stiff, in contrast to a drag tire. This allows for stability during cornering. It would be easier to use a larger wheel, lower profile as someone stated earlier..but the rules do not allow it.
06-26-2007, 10:13 PM
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I didn't read the whole thread so I may have missed it...
I didn't see where anyone mentioned the force balance at the surface of the road and the tire surface. For things to remain static (which they are in a tire/road situation) the force done by friction must be less than what will shear the rubber. If it doesn't you spin out and leave nice black marks and go into the wall.
By the same logic that started this thread you could say.. hell the weight of the car doesn't matter. F= uN for those who forgot. Obviously it does and ONE of the reasons is what I mention above.
Engineering is making a good balance of what you have available. There are no simple answers like throwing on a set of wider tires because obviously there is some negative recourse like the power to turn that extra tire.
There are a ton of factors that determine which tire is best for each application. One idea or equation will not find what you need.
I didn't see where anyone mentioned the force balance at the surface of the road and the tire surface. For things to remain static (which they are in a tire/road situation) the force done by friction must be less than what will shear the rubber. If it doesn't you spin out and leave nice black marks and go into the wall.
By the same logic that started this thread you could say.. hell the weight of the car doesn't matter. F= uN for those who forgot. Obviously it does and ONE of the reasons is what I mention above.
Engineering is making a good balance of what you have available. There are no simple answers like throwing on a set of wider tires because obviously there is some negative recourse like the power to turn that extra tire.
There are a ton of factors that determine which tire is best for each application. One idea or equation will not find what you need.
07-16-2007, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Alvin@pcmforless.com
I didn't read the whole thread so I may have missed it...
I didn't see where anyone mentioned the force balance at the surface of the road and the tire surface. For things to remain static (which they are in a tire/road situation) the force done by friction must be less than what will shear the rubber. If it doesn't you spin out and leave nice black marks and go into the wall.
By the same logic that started this thread you could say.. hell the weight of the car doesn't matter. F= uN for those who forgot. Obviously it does and ONE of the reasons is what I mention above.
Engineering is making a good balance of what you have available. There are no simple answers like throwing on a set of wider tires because obviously there is some negative recourse like the power to turn that extra tire.
There are a ton of factors that determine which tire is best for each application. One idea or equation will not find what you need.
I didn't see where anyone mentioned the force balance at the surface of the road and the tire surface. For things to remain static (which they are in a tire/road situation) the force done by friction must be less than what will shear the rubber. If it doesn't you spin out and leave nice black marks and go into the wall.
By the same logic that started this thread you could say.. hell the weight of the car doesn't matter. F= uN for those who forgot. Obviously it does and ONE of the reasons is what I mention above.
Engineering is making a good balance of what you have available. There are no simple answers like throwing on a set of wider tires because obviously there is some negative recourse like the power to turn that extra tire.
There are a ton of factors that determine which tire is best for each application. One idea or equation will not find what you need.