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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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I tried doing a search but didn't find much so sorry if this is a repost. I replaced my Dome and map lights with LEDs. I noticed last night after they were all installed and once it became dark out that my lights are on all the time but very very faint. I decided to check the voltage and with everything off and doors closed it reads roughly 7 volts. If I turn the lights on it reads the normal 12v. Anyone know why I have a constant 7 volts going to my lights?
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 12:12 PM
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sounds like you've got a short somewhere. If you're proficient with a multimeter it's as simple as tracing your wires. It would be MUCH easier if you also know how to read a wiring diagram and have access to one. Possibly a defective dimmer switch, you just may not have noticed it with the regular bulbs installed. Good luck!
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 12:24 PM
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Theres enuff residule electricity in the wires in the lighting circuit when the ignition is on , even when everything is off , to power led's very dimmly ( 1 volt or less will light up very dim ) . If you intend to stay with LED's , wire in a diode between the + and - wires so theres no backfeeding and that should solve your problem .
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ec_nova
sounds like you've got a short somewhere. If you're proficient with a multimeter it's as simple as tracing your wires. It would be MUCH easier if you also know how to read a wiring diagram and have access to one. Possibly a defective dimmer switch, you just may not have noticed it with the regular bulbs installed. Good luck!
Unfortunately I know just enough about wiriing to know what to check but thats about it. Luckily I have a good friend who is an electrical engineer so he'll be able to help me out.

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Theres enuff residule electricity in the wires in the lighting circuit when the ignition is on , even when everything is off , to power led's very dimmly ( 1 volt or less will light up very dim ) . If you intend to stay with LED's , wire in a diode between the + and - wires so theres no backfeeding and that should solve your problem .
The thing is the car is completely off, no key in the ignition or anything. I noticed this last night after I had locked my car and came back out to get something from it.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 12:42 PM
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I also noticed (and I dont know if this is normal or not but it doesn't seem like it) with the multimeter I checked the voltage going from + to + and - to -. However with the + to + and the - to anything around the dome light just to ground it I was getting a full 12v.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 02:17 PM
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Sometimes it just depends on the brand of LED and/or the color of the LED. LEDs draw so little energy to light up, compared to the stock filament bulbs, that whatever residual power is going through the wiring can be enough to actually light the LED up a tad. A couple of Mom's green LEDs had the same issue. I switched a couple of the LEDs out with another brand, and whallah! Problem gone.
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Old Apr 9, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by thecobrahunter
LEDs draw so little energy to light up, compared to the stock filament bulbs, that whatever residual power is going through the wiring can be enough to actually light the LED up a tad.
That's correct
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LEDs draw so little energy to light up, compared to the stock filament bulbs, that whatever residual power is going through the wiring can be enough to actually light the LED up a tad.
This I know, I just don't understand why I have power coming through there while the car is completely off.
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Because with the battery connected, ur always gonna have a little power going through your wiring. The stock bulbs need about 1Amp to power up. LEDs need like, only .001 Amps to power up. So, depending on the color/brand/resistor of the LED, some power might make it through to the LED and light it up a bit.
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he mentioned having 7 volts though. THAT is definitely not normal. Check for voltage with both doors closed and the car running (you want to be sure you're not checking for voltage when they're SUPPOSED to be on)
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Power cycle everything. Open/close the doors, set/unset the alarm, unplug the cabin lighting fuse, start the car and lock the doors, unplug and replug the battery, pretty much anything you can to get the BCM to turn the lights on and off. Another thing you should check is the polarity of the lights and to check if the solder joints on any of the LEDs are touching any of the metal reflectors on the car.
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Originally Posted by thecobrahunter
Because with the battery connected, ur always gonna have a little power going through your wiring. The stock bulbs need about 1Amp to power up. LEDs need like, only .001 Amps to power up. So, depending on the color/brand/resistor of the LED, some power might make it through to the LED and light it up a bit.
I bought them from superbrightleds and I have only heard very good things about them.

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he mentioned having 7 volts though. THAT is definitely not normal. Check for voltage with both doors closed and the car running (you want to be sure you're not checking for voltage when they're SUPPOSED to be on)
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Power cycle everything. Open/close the doors, set/unset the alarm, unplug the cabin lighting fuse, start the car and lock the doors, unplug and replug the battery, pretty much anything you can to get the BCM to turn the lights on and off. Another thing you should check is the polarity of the lights and to check if the solder joints on any of the LEDs are touching any of the metal reflectors on the car.
Ive checked the voltage after turning the lights on with the dimmer and with the door open and I get somewhere around 12v everytime. I have also checked the voltage with the doors closed and with everything off and get around 7 volts. I'm gonna go out there and play with it a little more to see what else I can come up with.
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I'm still getting the same thing everytime. I have discovered though, with the + on the multimeter to the + for the light and - to - I get the 7 volts unless the lights are on then I get 12. Now with the + to any ground on the car I get a full 12 volts however I didn't check this when the light was on only when it was "off".

Now if I have - to - and + to any ground I get -4 volts which means I have power coming from the - which I'm no electrical engineer but I don't think that is supposed to happen. WTF is going on?

And of course when I removed the fuse and tested I got nothing.
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Mine have done the same thing for years.
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This has me curious and makes me want to pop my map light open and start poking around with my meter.

Except... I can't figure out how to get to the bulbs in the mirror
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Old Apr 11, 2010 | 05:56 PM
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Mine have done the same thing for years.
I had been meaning to ask you because I saw your thread where you replaced the bulbs with LEDs

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This has me curious and makes me want to pop my map light open and start poking around with my meter.

Except... I can't figure out how to get to the bulbs in the mirror
Just check it in the dome light. That's where I've been checking mine.
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Have you tried removing and replacing the LED several times with the power off and/or on for the map lights?
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Originally Posted by ZexGX
Have you tried removing and replacing the LED several times with the power off and/or on for the map lights?
Yup, makes no difference
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 08:54 AM
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i made my own map light a while back and haven't noticed them staying on i'll have to look now but i doubt they do they fade out like the oe bulbs and i also have like 60 leds up in there
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 09:26 AM
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would your door switches be wore out maybe?? 7 volts is kinda high? you sure the mutimeter setting is right and not .7 or something?
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