swirl marks--I hate 'em
swirl marks--I hate 'em I am tired of these damn swirl marks!
The paint on my '69 is excelent except for those nasty swirl marks. I first tried using Zaino Z-5 swirl remover polish. I gave it about 5 coats in a year and noticed no difference at all from before, the swirls were still there. Now I decided to take it to the next level. I used a claybar first, then the new Zaino Z-PC Paint cleaner/swirl remover, then finished up with Z-2 Clearcoat polish. NO DIFFERENCE. I'm tired of spending all this money when its not doing a damn thing. Am I just stuck with these swirls? BTW: I've never used a power buffer on the car.
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The paint on my '69 is excelent except for those nasty swirl marks. I first tried using Zaino Z-5 swirl remover polish. I gave it about 5 coats in a year and noticed no difference at all from before, the swirls were still there. Now I decided to take it to the next level. I used a claybar first, then the new Zaino Z-PC Paint cleaner/swirl remover, then finished up with Z-2 Clearcoat polish. NO DIFFERENCE. I'm tired of spending all this money when its not doing a damn thing. Am I just stuck with these swirls? BTW: I've never used a power buffer on the car.
Thanks
Sounds like you need to invest in a porter cable, believe it or not my black T/A was pretty swirled up, and the PC with sonus pads and the Menzerna IP, and FP II combo, no swirls 
It might be a little different for you with the older paint (I'm guessing original? ) but no matter what product you use, unless you drop the PC on the car, you won't mess up the paint, it's incredibly easy to use, and being a random orbit polisher, it duplicates the motion of your hand (only much faster)
This was my first time using a power polisher, and after I was done, I wondered WTF I was so nervous for
It might be a little different for you with the older paint (I'm guessing original? ) but no matter what product you use, unless you drop the PC on the car, you won't mess up the paint, it's incredibly easy to use, and being a random orbit polisher, it duplicates the motion of your hand (only much faster)
This was my first time using a power polisher, and after I was done, I wondered WTF I was so nervous for
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You cantry 3M Finesse. It looks like elmer's glue all. LOL. It is a mild compound that removes minor scratches, dirt and will probably take care of your swirl problem. After using 3M Finesse, make sure you either use a hand glaze or your favorite wax or polish. Just my 2 cents. I've used finesse and does work great.
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Originally Posted by 2K2WS6TA
Sounds like you need to invest in a porter cable, believe it or not my black T/A was pretty swirled up, and the PC with sonus pads and the Menzerna IP, and FP II combo, no swirls
It might be a little different for you with the older paint (I'm guessing original? ) but no matter what product you use, unless you drop the PC on the car, you won't mess up the paint, it's incredibly easy to use, and being a random orbit polisher, it duplicates the motion of your hand (only much faster)
This was my first time using a power polisher, and after I was done, I wondered WTF I was so nervous for
It might be a little different for you with the older paint (I'm guessing original? ) but no matter what product you use, unless you drop the PC on the car, you won't mess up the paint, it's incredibly easy to use, and being a random orbit polisher, it duplicates the motion of your hand (only much faster)
This was my first time using a power polisher, and after I was done, I wondered WTF I was so nervous for
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Originally Posted by 72firebird
This man tells the truth. There was a thread about different places to get the porter cable. In the end you may have about $300-400 invested in it total but you're paint will come out looking brand new. It's the best detailing investment I have ever made.
Originally Posted by MetallicaMatt
do you worry about burning the paint on the corners? i've got the ws6, so lots o corners
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PC orbital buffers don't generate any appreciable heat, so they can't burn paint.
You can either find someone who is capable of removing them for you, or invest in PC, pads, and polishes to do it yourself.
Swirls come from improper mitts, towels, applicators, technique, etc.
You can either find someone who is capable of removing them for you, or invest in PC, pads, and polishes to do it yourself.
Swirls come from improper mitts, towels, applicators, technique, etc.
I just bought my Porter Cable from Lowe's last weekend (7336 - $109 plus tax) and ordered the V-PAD kit (the one with the Velcro backing plate)from Classic Motoring-properautocare.com-. It should be here Friday so, I'll get to experiment with it this weekend. I'll post pics when I'm done. Having said all that, I had a black '93 Coupe for ten years (sold in '03) which never saw a garage… or a polisher. I always waxed by hand. My process then was Meguiars Medallion Paint Cleaner (pretty hard to buff by hand), Mirror Glaze #7 Swirl Remover, and finish with Mirror Glaze #26 or Zymol. Worked great! The car always looked like black glass when I was done. The car was never wrecked and all the paint was original. Here's a pic of it just before I sold it with 135k on the clock.
See for yourself.
See for yourself.
is it cheaper to buy the PC at lowes then from one of the sponsors? I need to read the sticky to see what pads and stuff i'd need.
will the PC take out the swirls with any good wax like meguirs or mothers?
or do you still need to get some of the other brands?
will the PC take out the swirls with any good wax like meguirs or mothers?
or do you still need to get some of the other brands?
you need to have your car buffed, ask around car shows and see if there is someone who really knows what they are doing out there.
almost all swirl marks cannot be removed by anything other than buffing, becuase they are tons of tiny scratches
almost all swirl marks cannot be removed by anything other than buffing, becuase they are tons of tiny scratches
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Originally Posted by MetallicaMatt
is it cheaper to buy the PC at lowes then from one of the sponsors? I need to read the sticky to see what pads and stuff i'd need.
will the PC take out the swirls with any good wax like meguirs or mothers?
or do you still need to get some of the other brands?
will the PC take out the swirls with any good wax like meguirs or mothers?
or do you still need to get some of the other brands?
You need a paint polish to remove swirls...Menzerna, Einszett, Poorboy's, Zaino Fusion, etc.
I asked the paint shop, that painted the car, if they would buff out the swirls and they said that it is pointless because they'll be back next time I detail the camaro. I've only used high quality 100% cotton microfibre towels with Zaino products since it's been painted and followed the instructions very closely so I don't see how the swirls got there in the first place. I guess I'll invest in a PC. Will I ever have to worry about buffing through the clearcoat? Because eventually you'll buff all the clear off, right?
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When you get rid of swirl marks, the next time you wash your car with a mit, or dry it off, or use a towel with detail spray, it will leave very very fine lines. Theres nothing you can do about it. You can buy everything in the sun and the moon, and once u get rid of them, they will be right back.
Originally Posted by 69huggerZ
I asked the paint shop, that painted the car, if they would buff out the swirls and they said that it is pointless because they'll be back next time I detail the camaro. I've only used high quality 100% cotton microfibre towels with Zaino products since it's been painted and followed the instructions very closely so I don't see how the swirls got there in the first place. I guess I'll invest in a PC. Will I ever have to worry about buffing through the clearcoat? Because eventually you'll buff all the clear off, right?
I like the perfect it III by 3M its not as heat sinsitive as the finesse it and its more user freindly if your learning.
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Originally Posted by nikeair042
When you get rid of swirl marks, the next time you wash your car with a mit, or dry it off, or use a towel with detail spray, it will leave very very fine lines. Theres nothing you can do about it. You can buy everything in the sun and the moon, and once u get rid of them, they will be right back.
