Zaino problems....cannot figure this out
05-12-2006, 11:45 AM
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Zaino problems....cannot figure this out Ok....my problem is this stuff washes off after just one night of some steady rainfall, no matter how many properly applied coats.
I have gone through several bottles on my old Firehawk, and it was garaged so i assumed it was always adhered properly. Even then,the few times it saw rain, the rain would just blotch and look like there was nothing on the car. More recently, i have been driving my Zaino-pampered F 150 through the elements with absolutely no results. I have it properly mixed with ZFX, i apply by hand up and down, and i always make sure to see that it is totally dried. On my first application, i prepped with ZPC, 2 washes and a claybar and all that good stuff....also out of directg sunlight. At first, it looks great, but soon after its totally gone. I use Z2 Pro with Z6 after im all done. I CANT FIGURE OUT WHAT I AM DOING WRONG....im looking all over the forums and people who applied 1 coat like months ago and the water still beads textbook perfect. I like triple checked my directions. Someone please help....im about to give up and use 3M.
P.S.....ever bottle of Z6 has ALWAYS leaked something.....maybe im cursed...
I have gone through several bottles on my old Firehawk, and it was garaged so i assumed it was always adhered properly. Even then,the few times it saw rain, the rain would just blotch and look like there was nothing on the car. More recently, i have been driving my Zaino-pampered F 150 through the elements with absolutely no results. I have it properly mixed with ZFX, i apply by hand up and down, and i always make sure to see that it is totally dried. On my first application, i prepped with ZPC, 2 washes and a claybar and all that good stuff....also out of directg sunlight. At first, it looks great, but soon after its totally gone. I use Z2 Pro with Z6 after im all done. I CANT FIGURE OUT WHAT I AM DOING WRONG....im looking all over the forums and people who applied 1 coat like months ago and the water still beads textbook perfect. I like triple checked my directions. Someone please help....im about to give up and use 3M.
P.S.....ever bottle of Z6 has ALWAYS leaked something.....maybe im cursed...
05-12-2006, 12:12 PM
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Maybe I'm missing something but you are starting with Z1 right? I thought the ZFX was just to make the Zaino dry faster or does it already have the Z1 in it? If your just applying Z2 without starting with Z1 that is your problem most likely. I never used ZFX so I can't speak as an expert on that but my ritual is wash, clay bar, Z1 then Z5 right over the Z1 then multiple costs of Z2.
05-12-2006, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike02Z
Maybe I'm missing something but you are starting with Z1 right? I thought the ZFX was just to make the Zaino dry faster or does it already have the Z1 in it? If your just applying Z2 without starting with Z1 that is your problem most likely. I never used ZFX so I can't speak as an expert on that but my ritual is wash, clay bar, Z1 then Z5 right over the Z1 then multiple costs of Z2.
lol i think you are cursed. where are you located? if there is alot of humidity it will take a long time for the zaino to cure. BUMP for someone to help out.
05-12-2006, 12:45 PM
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I have the Z1 compound and not ZFX, but it took me a total of three days from start to finish to apply all the layers. Yes I was extremely methodical about it and let things cure over nite before moving on to the next compound.
05-12-2006, 02:02 PM
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yeah made sure the surface was properly prepped.....wax stripped off and polished with Z-PC and a porter Cable w/ lake Country orange pad.
I have never used the Z1, i have always used the ZFX mixture.....
I wish it would work...i know this product is tried and true, and i have never heard of this happening so there has to be a solution. I usually give about 15mins drying time once i have the whole truck coated...i can wipe it with my finger and it comes off perfect....no smearing.
BTW i am in South Jersey and the temps have been almost ideal for applying it.
I have never used the Z1, i have always used the ZFX mixture.....
I wish it would work...i know this product is tried and true, and i have never heard of this happening so there has to be a solution. I usually give about 15mins drying time once i have the whole truck coated...i can wipe it with my finger and it comes off perfect....no smearing.
BTW i am in South Jersey and the temps have been almost ideal for applying it.
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05-12-2006, 03:30 PM
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yeah made sure the surface was properly prepped.....wax stripped off and polished with Z-PC and a porter Cable w/ lake Country orange pad.
I have never used the Z1, i have always used the ZFX mixture.....
I wish it would work...i know this product is tried and true, and i have never heard of this happening so there has to be a solution. I usually give about 15mins drying time once i have the whole truck coated...i can wipe it with my finger and it comes off perfect....no smearing.
BTW i am in South Jersey and the temps have been almost ideal for applying it.
I have never used the Z1, i have always used the ZFX mixture.....
I wish it would work...i know this product is tried and true, and i have never heard of this happening so there has to be a solution. I usually give about 15mins drying time once i have the whole truck coated...i can wipe it with my finger and it comes off perfect....no smearing.
BTW i am in South Jersey and the temps have been almost ideal for applying it.
05-12-2006, 03:33 PM
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Might be a stupid question, but did you wash it with Dawn before the first time you applied th Z2? I would think the Z-PC should strip any previous wax off of there as I believe it is an abrasive but perhaps it isn't.
05-12-2006, 04:16 PM
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I think 15 minutes for Zaino might be too short. Try 45-60. Anyone else think this could be it?
I leave mine on for at least an hour. If it's below 70 I leave it on overnight but again, I do not use ZFX.
You should be putting it on very thin. Just barely able to see it and when it's dry it should wipe off with no pressure. If you find it is tough to get off you either have not left it on long enough or put too much on or both
First time I put Zaino on I went way to thick and even over night it was a PITA to get off. It also left nasty streaks. Maybe you got a bad batch of Zaino? I'm at a loss as it sounds like you're doing it right.
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I would also suggest a longer curing time. Zaino suggests at least 30 mins to let it sit. Personally I do the whole outside of ma car, then while the Zaino is curing I go and clean the inside and work on the wheels real well. Usually 45mins to an hour before I wipe it off and it works just as intended.
Just did that last week. Had sat over the winter outside in the elements. Has about 10-12 total coats on it, just 1 had been done that day. Rained the past 2 days and water was still beading like normal this morning when I left for work.
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Just did that last week. Had sat over the winter outside in the elements. Has about 10-12 total coats on it, just 1 had been done that day. Rained the past 2 days and water was still beading like normal this morning when I left for work.
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05-12-2006, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HAWK#549
BTW SDM1234....youre car's finish look freaking great...i meant to say something when you posted pics last time.
I really appreciate the compliment! I used all Mother's products, from the Clay Bar, to the Advanced Top Coat Gloss. I'm glad you like it!As for your situation, I'm sorry I can't help more. I would've guessed more prep work, but if you're doing that then I don't know what else the problem could be. Maybe longer curing times would be beneficial.
05-12-2006, 11:11 PM
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Got a couple quik questions not trying to steal your thread man... But where can you get Zaino at? and where can you get a claybar? I looked at adavance and walmart tonight no luck....Didnt try autozone though there selection is better I do know that.
05-12-2006, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LS144
Got a couple quik questions not trying to steal your thread man... But where can you get Zaino at? and where can you get a claybar? I looked at adavance and walmart tonight no luck....Didnt try autozone though there selection is better I do know that.
05-13-2006, 02:26 PM
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isnt it nice that zaino delivers to new jersey? oh wait a minute, thats right, they dont! only way I can get it is for my friend who lived in howell to pick it up and give it to me, but he moved. so, tropi-care it is! thanks zaino for denying new jersey shipping. awesome.
05-13-2006, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by nikeair042
isnt it nice that zaino delivers to new jersey? oh wait a minute, thats right, they dont! only way I can get it is for my friend who lived in howell to pick it up and give it to me, but he moved. so, tropi-care it is! thanks zaino for denying new jersey shipping. awesome.