4L80 tune no longer *required*
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I am trying to figure out what I want to do with my 5.3L/4L80E combo...
I planned on doing the segment swap but I sent my Tune to HP tuners and they said I have to get a dealership to flash my PCM to the new 9381344 OS before they can do the segment swap.
Has everyone else here that has done the segment swap had to do this?
My PCM is from a 99 Camaro M6.
None of the dealerships seemed confident at all they they could do this OS update correctly and I got price quotes from $100-$300. Seems pretty high.
At $300 and a chance they might screw it up the relay mod is looking like a better option at this point.
I planned on doing the segment swap but I sent my Tune to HP tuners and they said I have to get a dealership to flash my PCM to the new 9381344 OS before they can do the segment swap.
Has everyone else here that has done the segment swap had to do this?
My PCM is from a 99 Camaro M6.
None of the dealerships seemed confident at all they they could do this OS update correctly and I got price quotes from $100-$300. Seems pretty high.
At $300 and a chance they might screw it up the relay mod is looking like a better option at this point.
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I had a 2000 5.3 ECU and didnt have to do that. Contact Lane at fastlane52@yahoo.com. I'll bet that you could mail your ecu to him and he could take care of it. He did mine.
Well I already own HP Tuners Pro and they said they would do the segment swap for me if I had the new OS put on. I just didnt know if there was another way to put the new OS on or if everyone else had to do the same thing.
That is interesting that you didnt have to though.. wonder if the 2000 OS was the most recent.
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Well I looked up my VIN on http://tis2web.service.gm.com/tis2web and it shows me that there is an upgrade for my PCM to the 9381344 OS.
It shows that this would upgrade to the "model year 2000 level" so that makes sense that your 2000 didn't need the update and my 99 does.
Has everyone else with a 99 PCM had to do this update before segment swap?
It shows that this would upgrade to the "model year 2000 level" so that makes sense that your 2000 didn't need the update and my 99 does.
Has everyone else with a 99 PCM had to do this update before segment swap?
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Well I looked up my VIN on http://tis2web.service.gm.com/tis2web and it shows me that there is an upgrade for my PCM to the 9381344 OS.
It shows that this would upgrade to the "model year 2000 level" so that makes sense that your 2000 didn't need the update and my 99 does.
Has everyone else with a 99 PCM had to do this update before segment swap?
It shows that this would upgrade to the "model year 2000 level" so that makes sense that your 2000 didn't need the update and my 99 does.
Has everyone else with a 99 PCM had to do this update before segment swap?
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but I can't understand that. I wasn't happy until I had lockup down to 29 MPH in OD, and when I'm driving in heavy interstate traffic I manually shift down in advance of needing responsiveness. Right now my '06 GMC 1500 doesn't lock until 37 MPH, and my next tune will change that to 34. My Camaro doesn't lock until 45, and I'm about ready to take a sledgehammer to it!
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Is it normal for the trans to feel like its slipping using the relay before the codes are disabled? It shifts fine driving under normal conditions but as soon as you give it some throttle the rpm goes up very slowly and the car does not accelerate. I dont have hp tuners and I want to make sure the trans isn't junk before I take it to my tuner.
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Hi draggin this thread up again,
my 2000 silveraddo has a 4.3, and a junk 4l60e, I got another GM goodwrench replacement one that looked fairly new from a boneyard, but pulling the pan revealed the death grit.
anyhow I had my thrill with these POS 4l60e's (the rebuilders LOVE THEM)
I also got a 98 savanna -ex Penske truck being cannibalized out back,
with a 4l80e, so I decided im using it in the 2000 Silverado.
the express vans /savannas used the 4l80e and 4.3 in 97 and also in 2001-3.
and the stall speed converter I think is 2800, (im concerned the TC suppliers will just sell me a v8 one though - because they are as like the rebuilders,they don't want us doin it ourselves.. the 4.3 needs higher stall, anyhow would you recommend the low speed lockup disengage with a smaller 4.3?
my 2000 silveraddo has a 4.3, and a junk 4l60e, I got another GM goodwrench replacement one that looked fairly new from a boneyard, but pulling the pan revealed the death grit.
anyhow I had my thrill with these POS 4l60e's (the rebuilders LOVE THEM)
I also got a 98 savanna -ex Penske truck being cannibalized out back,
with a 4l80e, so I decided im using it in the 2000 Silverado.
the express vans /savannas used the 4l80e and 4.3 in 97 and also in 2001-3.
and the stall speed converter I think is 2800, (im concerned the TC suppliers will just sell me a v8 one though - because they are as like the rebuilders,they don't want us doin it ourselves.. the 4.3 needs higher stall, anyhow would you recommend the low speed lockup disengage with a smaller 4.3?
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YIKES,,,, please -anyone , I just discovered my 2000 4.3 Silverado has the same black box that the 98 im pulling the 4l80e out of to swap in ......... how does this affect the wiring switcheroo for the 4l80e swap..
do I have a different pinout for the VSS pigtail I was going to snag from the old 98harness?
and what about the two wire swap in the round plug--eliminating the white one?
any info would be greatly appreciated.
do I have a different pinout for the VSS pigtail I was going to snag from the old 98harness?
and what about the two wire swap in the round plug--eliminating the white one?
any info would be greatly appreciated.
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Off the top of my head:
- use a relay to invert the sense of 2-3 shift solenoid signal,
- use TCC ON/OFF to drive TCC PWM,
- discard the 3-2 control signal,
- disable a few DTC's relating to the above (if you use pull up resistors in the right places, you may be able to leave the DTC's enabled; you may have to disable P1870).
- set the gear ratios and edit the shift tables.
It easier if you have vehicle wiring diagrams (e.g. F-car/4L60E and Truck/4L80E) to compare, and the apply charts and TCC descriptions from the 4l60E and 4L80E Tech Guides (which can be found on the www).
- use a relay to invert the sense of 2-3 shift solenoid signal,
- use TCC ON/OFF to drive TCC PWM,
- discard the 3-2 control signal,
- disable a few DTC's relating to the above (if you use pull up resistors in the right places, you may be able to leave the DTC's enabled; you may have to disable P1870).
- set the gear ratios and edit the shift tables.
It easier if you have vehicle wiring diagrams (e.g. F-car/4L60E and Truck/4L80E) to compare, and the apply charts and TCC descriptions from the 4l60E and 4L80E Tech Guides (which can be found on the www).
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Just did this swap.
Relay to invert 2-3 signal, OK.
use TCC ON/OFF to drive TCC PWM. OK.
discard the 3-2 control signal, OK.
disable a few DTC's relating to the above, OK.
I'm hearing that you have to move some wires inside of the trans connector.
I did this on my full 60e to 80e swap a couple of years ago, but wasn't sure if it was necessary when running the 80e on the 60e segment. This is a pretty big downer considering that the trans is in and the trans connector is so tight against the floor with the wiring pulled tight that I have to drop the trans to get to it.
Relay to invert 2-3 signal, OK.
use TCC ON/OFF to drive TCC PWM. OK.
discard the 3-2 control signal, OK.
disable a few DTC's relating to the above, OK.
I'm hearing that you have to move some wires inside of the trans connector.
I did this on my full 60e to 80e swap a couple of years ago, but wasn't sure if it was necessary when running the 80e on the 60e segment. This is a pretty big downer considering that the trans is in and the trans connector is so tight against the floor with the wiring pulled tight that I have to drop the trans to get to it.
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I'm hearing that you have to move some wires inside of the trans connector.
I did this on my full 60e to 80e swap a couple of years ago, but wasn't sure if it was necessary when running the 80e on the 60e segment. This is a pretty big downer considering that the trans is in and the trans connector is so tight against the floor with the wiring pulled tight that I have to drop the trans to get to it.
I'm hearing that you have to move some wires inside of the trans connector.
I did this on my full 60e to 80e swap a couple of years ago, but wasn't sure if it was necessary when running the 80e on the 60e segment. This is a pretty big downer considering that the trans is in and the trans connector is so tight against the floor with the wiring pulled tight that I have to drop the trans to get to it.
All the changes are done in the harness between the PCM and the trans.
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A segment swap is no longer required as long as you have a 4L60 capable PCM.
I just got finished with my road test. I have a 2000 PCM running a 4L80. I did have a segment swap done, but was tired of the TCC unlocking below 5% throttle (no matter what).
Edit: I had a change of heart. I have a good bit of time in this. PM for details.
Oh BTW my converter no longer unlocks below 5% throttle.....
Also note, you will still need to move 2 pins on the Transmission (see below).
I just got finished with my road test. I have a 2000 PCM running a 4L80. I did have a segment swap done, but was tired of the TCC unlocking below 5% throttle (no matter what).
Edit: I had a change of heart. I have a good bit of time in this. PM for details.
Oh BTW my converter no longer unlocks below 5% throttle.....
Also note, you will still need to move 2 pins on the Transmission (see below).
So, I have a 2002 (2000 pcm) Sierra swapping to a 4l80e. I am having harness made with the pins swapped already. What else do I need to do to be able to daily it if i am not doing the segment swap?
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4l80 with 60 tune
is it possible for you to send me the files that i either need to add/delete from my pcm. I have a 1999 5.7 stroked running with 2000 4l80. Or possible to send me a tune I can use. It's a 2000 c3500 dually with 4:10 gears and 24.5" alcoa. The block is a 350 vortex bored 60 over with a comp cam hyd .488 hyd .495 IIntake 212 exhaust 218 @ .050 lobe. Lobe lift.3250 .3300 with everything roller. Truck an motor has been sitting 5yrs for build st final stage an truck wont budge. I'd really appreciate it
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4l80 with 60 tune. Please help. At stand still.
Good morning. is it possible for you to send me the files that i either need to add/delete from my pcm. I have a 1999 5.7 stroked running with 2000 4l80. Or possible to send me a tune I can use. It's a 2000 c3500 dually with 4:10 gears and 24.5" alcoa. The block is a 350 vortex bored 60 over with a comp cam hyd .488 hyd .495 IIntake 212 exhaust 218 @ .050 lobe. Lobe lift.3250 .3300 with everything roller. Truck an motor has been sitting 5yrs for build st final stage an truck wont budge. I'd really appreciate it. I dont know if motor info was necessary