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Old Apr 13, 2004 | 08:15 PM
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just wanted to get some of your thoughts and concerns on locking up a higher hp combo. gonna dyno tune a 550-600 rwhp combo on the dyno soon. it is a blown lt1 with a 4L60e setup and a yank pro extreme convertor. are we risking burning up the convertor for a few dyno pulls? what rpm should i lock up the convertor? 5500 rpms? TIA!
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ttt please
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 02:04 PM
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well we are dynoing the car tomorow so if anyone has any thoughts, please let me know.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 06:56 PM
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Lock the converter at part throttle. No worries. It's WOT locking that wears the clutch.
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 09:35 PM
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I thought the extreme converters lock up on there own with anything over 475rwhp? Thought thats what the posi clutch is for?
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 10:38 PM
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so what colonel is saying is dyno at part throttle? i thought all dynos were done wot?
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Old Apr 14, 2004 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gator's 99TA
so what colonel is saying is dyno at part throttle? i thought all dynos were done wot?

no he means lock the converter at part throttle then go wide open throttle to dyno...

get it into 3rd gear, lock the converter, go wot to dyno

do not...

go wot and then lock the converter during the pull
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Old Apr 15, 2004 | 01:08 AM
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Right.

The posi-loc clutch is designed to add some coupling pressure when the input shaft sees better than 450 ft/lbs of TQ (and thus this added coupling will lessen as the TQ falls.) That is NOT the same thing as locking the converter. You still need to manually lock the converter on the dyno even with a posi-loc clutch.
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Old Apr 15, 2004 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Colonel
Right.

The posi-loc clutch is designed to add some coupling pressure when the input shaft sees better than 450 ft/lbs of TQ (and thus this added coupling will lessen as the TQ falls.) That is NOT the same thing as locking the converter. You still need to manually lock the converter on the dyno even with a posi-loc clutch.
That's exactly what Mike told me when I got my PT3400, except he said it did it at 475 FLYWHEEL TORQUE.

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Old Apr 15, 2004 | 12:39 PM
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Yeah, 450-475...it can vary depending on which converter it's in and how he sets it up. It's only an estimate.
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Old Apr 15, 2004 | 02:26 PM
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Colonel, you had mentioned a while back you set
up to have the TCC lock at the top of 3rd for a
little more time-in-gear at the end of the 1/4.
I tried this on mine and it made some not-too-
happy noises. Are there converters you have had
to -not- do power clutch applies, or ones you
have found just won't hold against max output
and have to be "given up on"? Just wondering,
maybe mine is still sore from feeding it B&M fluid
in its youth.
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Old Apr 15, 2004 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Colonel
Yeah, 450-475...it can vary depending on which converter it's in and how he sets it up. It's only an estimate.
Gotcha.
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Old Apr 15, 2004 | 04:40 PM
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Jimmy, I made that programming change back when I had the TCI3500. I only drove it all the way into lockup a handful of times (the top of 3rd is pretty fast with 3.23 gears. 6300 RPM with the converter locked in 3rd is about 150 MPH!!!) but the converter didn't do anything strange. I later swapped that converter for the SS4000. It too seems to handle the WOT lockup just fine but again, it's not something I do very often simply because of the speed involved in reaching lockup.

It might help that I have the TCI shift kit and run F-type fluid, I dunno.
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Old Apr 16, 2004 | 04:00 PM
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That's plenty high, all right. You know, I never tried
to raise the 3-4 shift point above 125MPH just because
the Predator would never let me. I thought maybe there
was some PCM limit to it. I will have to see what HPTuners
will let me get away with.
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