Ls engine 6r80 trans.....
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Staging Lane
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Ls engine 6r80 trans..... I'm swaping a LY6 in my fox body right now and with all the new controller for the 6R80 on the market it make me think about it. Do any one is doing it? Adaptor plat, ect ect.
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There is a difference between possibility and practicality
Prettymuch any trans/engine combo is POSSIBLE if you want to spend the time/effort/money
But not all are practical. If you want a 6 speed trans, use a 6l80e and a factory pcm/tcm combo. Easy peasy.
Prettymuch any trans/engine combo is POSSIBLE if you want to spend the time/effort/money
But not all are practical. If you want a 6 speed trans, use a 6l80e and a factory pcm/tcm combo. Easy peasy.
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LS swap is verry popular because is cheap and effective, same thing for 9inch diff and 2 speed powerglide.
6R80 is cheap and effective and I thing standalone controler was what was olding it back.
Now with the new standalone controler coming out for the 6R80 I sure many people are looking at it for they next project.
I was just asking if anyone have try those controler with great succes. And if anyone have found or now someone working on a adaptor plate to use it beind a LS engine.
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LY6,
Just so you know; BOTH the Ford 6R series transmission and the GM 6L series transmission are actually ZF based 6HP transmissions.
The only difference between the three manufacturers transmissions are the gear sets (different ratios).
So... Maroon Monster is simply telling you that using the GM version of the SAME transmission will make things far easier in terms of electronic function being used with a GM engine.
Just from a software/ programming standpoint the GM version will simplify things tremendously.
Use a GM ECM that will communicate with the GM TCM and be done with it.
Just so you know; BOTH the Ford 6R series transmission and the GM 6L series transmission are actually ZF based 6HP transmissions.
The only difference between the three manufacturers transmissions are the gear sets (different ratios).
So... Maroon Monster is simply telling you that using the GM version of the SAME transmission will make things far easier in terms of electronic function being used with a GM engine.
Just from a software/ programming standpoint the GM version will simplify things tremendously.
Use a GM ECM that will communicate with the GM TCM and be done with it.
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And the physical bellhousing/converter options will be off the shelf for the 6l80e making that super easy also.
If you want to try to swim up-river with your hands tied and bricks on your feet...go ahead.
But I'd rather take the raft downstream...sounds a little easier
If you want to try to swim up-river with your hands tied and bricks on your feet...go ahead.
But I'd rather take the raft downstream...sounds a little easier
I don't think the swap would be as difficult as it's made out to be IMO. Custom mid plate adapter, crank adapter and flexplate would be the hardest part, . as the OP mentioned there are plenty of standalone controllers for the engine and transmission to cover that area.
Being a ford guy personally(don't hurt me) i know the 6R can handle alot of abuse in its stock form, and up to 1000-1200 with a clutch kit and intermediate shaft. BUT if the 6L(GM version) is equally strong and reliable, then as Maroon Monster said, that will be the obvious choice due to ease of fitment.
-Dalton
Being a ford guy personally(don't hurt me) i know the 6R can handle alot of abuse in its stock form, and up to 1000-1200 with a clutch kit and intermediate shaft. BUT if the 6L(GM version) is equally strong and reliable, then as Maroon Monster said, that will be the obvious choice due to ease of fitment.
-Dalton
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Dalton I see you on the mustang pages on FB...I don't ever drop memes or tease haha
I think the 6r80e from ford is probably better in stock form...Mainly because I think more guys have successfully figured out the computer side of that trans than they did for the 6L80e from GM.
midplate adapter and all that sounds alot tougher than 95% of home jobbers are going to want to screw with. Possible yes...practical...I'd say not very compared to the GM 6L80e
I think the 6r80e from ford is probably better in stock form...Mainly because I think more guys have successfully figured out the computer side of that trans than they did for the 6L80e from GM.
midplate adapter and all that sounds alot tougher than 95% of home jobbers are going to want to screw with. Possible yes...practical...I'd say not very compared to the GM 6L80e
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And the physical bellhousing/converter options will be off the shelf for the 6l80e making that super easy also.
If you want to try to swim up-river with your hands tied and bricks on your feet...go ahead.
But I'd rather take the raft downstream...sounds a little easier
If you want to try to swim up-river with your hands tied and bricks on your feet...go ahead.
But I'd rather take the raft downstream...sounds a little easier
Thank you Maroon Monster :-)
The GM version has a removable bell-housing/ Pump half with GM bolt pattern for GM engine obviously.
The Ford Version does NOT have a removable bell-housing and slightly different case design... fits the Ford Mod. Engine.
The ZF 6HP and the Ford version share the most similarities.
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For the guys NOT familiar with our 6 speed Transmissions...
6 Speeds
No need to read the entire article, and I do not endorse the company posting the article.
6 Speeds
No need to read the entire article, and I do not endorse the company posting the article.
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LY6,
Just so you know; BOTH the Ford 6R series transmission and the GM 6L series transmission are actually ZF based 6HP transmissions.
The only difference between the three manufacturers transmissions are the gear sets (different ratios).
So... Maroon Monster is simply telling you that using the GM version of the SAME transmission will make things far easier in terms of electronic function being used with a GM engine.
Just from a software/ programming standpoint the GM version will simplify things tremendously.
Use a GM ECM that will communicate with the GM TCM and be done with it.
Just so you know; BOTH the Ford 6R series transmission and the GM 6L series transmission are actually ZF based 6HP transmissions.
The only difference between the three manufacturers transmissions are the gear sets (different ratios).
So... Maroon Monster is simply telling you that using the GM version of the SAME transmission will make things far easier in terms of electronic function being used with a GM engine.
Just from a software/ programming standpoint the GM version will simplify things tremendously.
Use a GM ECM that will communicate with the GM TCM and be done with it.
And the physical bellhousing/converter options will be off the shelf for the 6l80e making that super easy also.
If you want to try to swim up-river with your hands tied and bricks on your feet...go ahead.
But I'd rather take the raft downstream...sounds a little easier
If you want to try to swim up-river with your hands tied and bricks on your feet...go ahead.
But I'd rather take the raft downstream...sounds a little easier
I don't think the swap would be as difficult as it's made out to be IMO. Custom mid plate adapter, crank adapter and flexplate would be the hardest part, . as the OP mentioned there are plenty of standalone controllers for the engine and transmission to cover that area.
Being a ford guy personally(don't hurt me) i know the 6R can handle alot of abuse in its stock form, and up to 1000-1200 with a clutch kit and intermediate shaft. BUT if the 6L(GM version) is equally strong and reliable, then as Maroon Monster said, that will be the obvious choice due to ease of fitment.
-Dalton
Being a ford guy personally(don't hurt me) i know the 6R can handle alot of abuse in its stock form, and up to 1000-1200 with a clutch kit and intermediate shaft. BUT if the 6L(GM version) is equally strong and reliable, then as Maroon Monster said, that will be the obvious choice due to ease of fitment.
-Dalton
Dalton I see you on the mustang pages on FB...I don't ever drop memes or tease haha
I think the 6r80e from ford is probably better in stock form...Mainly because I think more guys have successfully figured out the computer side of that trans than they did for the 6L80e from GM.
midplate adapter and all that sounds alot tougher than 95% of home jobbers are going to want to screw with. Possible yes...practical...I'd say not very compared to the GM 6L80e
I think the 6r80e from ford is probably better in stock form...Mainly because I think more guys have successfully figured out the computer side of that trans than they did for the 6L80e from GM.
midplate adapter and all that sounds alot tougher than 95% of home jobbers are going to want to screw with. Possible yes...practical...I'd say not very compared to the GM 6L80e
Damn! I must have been sleeping to leave that part out...
Thank you Maroon Monster :-)
The GM version has a removable bell-housing/ Pump half with GM bolt pattern for GM engine obviously.
The Ford Version does NOT have a removable bell-housing and slightly different case design... fits the Ford Mod. Engine.
The ZF 6HP and the Ford version share the most similarities.
Thank you Maroon Monster :-)
The GM version has a removable bell-housing/ Pump half with GM bolt pattern for GM engine obviously.
The Ford Version does NOT have a removable bell-housing and slightly different case design... fits the Ford Mod. Engine.
The ZF 6HP and the Ford version share the most similarities.
For the guys NOT familiar with our 6 speed Transmissions...
6 Speeds
No need to read the entire article, and I do not endorse the company posting the article.
6 Speeds
No need to read the entire article, and I do not endorse the company posting the article.
The 6R make the coyote engine very fast and they are cheap and strong in stock form.
My gold was make a good affordable D/D 10.50 1/4 car.
The project start 6 years ago, coyote 6r80 swap fox mustang, but at that time nothing was easy for the 6r80, so the project stall for many years, then (4years later) some company star to be find they way to make the 6r80 swap possible but money canadien money start to go down and overtime at my job was stop so that make me look for a another option.
The LY6 4L80E TT project start, it was supposed to be a lot more affordable. After reafreshing the LY6, bearing, LS3 intake, Deka 80lbs injector, new ring gap for boots, stud, trugnion, push rod, spring, HV oil pump, turbo cam and à Holley HP EFI système it was no longuer a cheap swap. Lol
So I deside to run N/A and run 150 shot for 1 or 2 summer, and then do phase 2 ( 600whp TT pump gas car )
The 4L80E was suppose to be really strong from the factory so I was not thinking it will be that expensive to make it last with this power level on a lightweight car but I not sure anymore. That make me reconsider the 4L80E so looking on the web I learn about the new standalone for the 6R80 and that make me think about it so I ask you if any body have try it and what they think about it? I don’t was to spend 3500$ in a 4L80E if a 1000$ 6r80 can do the job. What do you think of all that?
Now you know everything. Lol
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by the time you buy the trans, controller, adapter plate, converter, and anything else needed to go along with it...it won't be a thousand bucks.
Do whatever makes ya happy. if a 6r80 is what you want...go for it, who am I to judge
Do whatever makes ya happy. if a 6r80 is what you want...go for it, who am I to judge
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Hi Moroon Monster, can you suport me trouht the process of building my 4L80E?
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I sure can.
Do a search, find info by myself and others.
Post your assumptions of what you think you need to do based on what you've learned through searching.
I'll review your build list...let you know how it looks.
Then if you have any issued during the build, post em up and the whole page will help get ya sorted out.
Do a search, find info by myself and others.
Post your assumptions of what you think you need to do based on what you've learned through searching.
I'll review your build list...let you know how it looks.
Then if you have any issued during the build, post em up and the whole page will help get ya sorted out.
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6l80 be 6R80 I love GM (styling) and all but I want a 6R80 for my supercharged Denali as well. GM made changes to the valves of the 6L80 to reduce cost so the 6R80 is actually the original ZF tranny with no trash. DO NOT think they are the same GM built trash in those years. (Cries inside) My 2013 with 39k miles is already showing it’s ugly ***.
Edit : Semantics
Edit : Semantics