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Old 06-02-2006, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by darrensls1

Bottom line is TCI, Midwest & Fuddle all make great converters that can drop a stock LS1s ET by half a second. But Yank makes thiers to drop that same half a second (if not a tenth more) while eating less HP thus allowing your trap speed to be higher.
Interesting, I gained mph with my Fuddle 3200.
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Originally Posted by DarrenLS1

Bottom line is TCI, Midwest & Fuddle all make great converters that can drop a stock LS1s ET by half a second. But Yank makes thiers to drop that same half a second (if not a tenth more) while eating less HP thus allowing your trap speed to be higher.

...how is this done, and why aren't the other companies doing this?
Old 06-02-2006, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport Side
...how is this done, and why aren't the other companies doing this?
I know with the Yank SS series they use a different stator design so you get the hard hit and high efficiency. Also the materials that Yank uses. Exotic parts cost more money.
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21 blade stators Yank uses arent exclusive or new. Any converter company can use them. They aren't exactly OEM.
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Originally Posted by MNR-0
21 blade stators Yank uses arent exclusive or new. Any converter company can use them. They aren't exactly OEM.
Which other companies use a 21 blade stator?
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Fuddle will build one for you on request. Any converter manufacturer will if you specifically ask for it. The only reason I can think of why its not actively promoted is that from my observations and research the 21 blade stator does not hit as hard as the 18 blade at the launch. The 21 blade, however, is better at the very top end for rated stall RPM. This is from actual real world track logs and discussions with converter builders.

Ever heard quotes from owners Vigs and Fuddles hit harder than Yanks?

21 blade stator is from the GM Minivan. Its NOT a unique design exclusive to any one company, though they may market its use as being exclusive in the industry.
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It's not offered through any other company. Sure with extra $$$ they can build one for you but I've never seen anyone advertise one. Generally I've always heard Yanks hit the hardest BTW. I'm a Vig guy FWIW.
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What manufactures don't use modified OEM converters?
Old 06-04-2006, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DanZ28
What manufactures don't use modified OEM converters?
Precisely! Dig deep, and you will find that even Yank use a lot of re-furbished OEM parts for their converters. The SS series isnt the only line they offer.

TT3000? Trailblazer truck converter. 21 blade stator? GM Mini-van.

Horses for courses. Seek and you will find the truth. Compare apples to apples, not oranges.

Oh, and I dont mind the odd VIG converter either.
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Super happy with my Fuddle, Why Pay more?
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Vig is great
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Originally Posted by MetallicBluews6
Go Vigilante! You get what you pay for. The best Converter and best warranty.
^^ Yank theres no substitution!!!!
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Originally Posted by Jpr5690
just casue yank says something doesnt make it true
You might want to do some research. Graphs comparing Yank to other brands are all over the web! It proves it. The products have been tested on a converter dyno by a third party (GM). Yank was the only manufacturer with guts enough to prove it!

Also on your comment about warranty. Name one case where the user wasn't doing something they weren't supposed to and got denied! You can't.
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Originally Posted by 2002_Z28_Six_Speed
You might want to do some research. Graphs comparing Yank to other brands are all over the web! It proves it. The products have been tested on a converter dyno by a third party (GM). Yank was the only manufacturer with guts enough to prove it!

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Yep, all of this is true. Some searching will yield the results.

Seems like most people when switching from one converter to a Yank of equal stall speed will dyno a little more (or lose less).
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Originally Posted by DanZ28
What manufactures don't use modified OEM converters?
Precision Industries builds all their converters none of them are modified OEMs.
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Originally Posted by maddboost
Precision Industries builds all their converters none of them are modified OEMs.
PI has the ability to make their own parts ON SITE with the assistance of experienced CAD operators and CNC machines and with 2 shifts there is a low turn around time. Also, the guys at PI have been racing for a long time! They know what is going on.
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get a vig, mine doesn't stall when daily driving at all but a buddy w/ a fuddle's does
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Originally Posted by jeff00z28
get a vig, mine doesn't stall when daily driving at all but a buddy w/ a fuddle's does
Sounds like a tuning problem to me...
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I vote Vigilante !! IMHO, the best customer service and the converter out there for our f-bodies.
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Originally Posted by maddboost
Precision Industries builds all their converters none of them are modified OEMs.
Thanks! So they are built from the ground up with their own design right?

So I have PI and Neal Chance so far. Who else?

Dan



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