Is Fuddle Really That Bad?
Originally Posted by DAPSUPRSLO
Yes, that's the kind of input i'm looking for! Thanks a bunch!
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From: sulphur, la
Originally Posted by SMDLS1
Edawg has a fuddle in his 4l80e with a Futral built 6.0 and a t76 turbo in a 4500lb truck, It dynoed well over 600rwhp with 4.10 gears and big *** 22" wheels. He has beat on the truck for about 3k miles with no sign of the convertor failing. My combo will be together in about a month and I will let you know.
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Originally Posted by 2002_Z28_Six_Speed
...... because a stock brazed converter could hold that?
YO MAMMA!
are you retarded?
not that i have anything against retarded people.
i just wanted to know if there is something wrong with you?
Originally Posted by DrkPhx
It sounds like you feel sorry for him. That ****** burned me and others big time. He took my money and never sent the converter. I remember talking to him on the phone and especially how he went out of his way to say TCS wasn't going anywhere because it's a "christian-based" company that always took care of his customers. 2 weeks after that he disappeared. Even the Attorney General couldn't find him. Lesson learned? If it's too good to be true, then it's too good to be true and don't believe it.
The story I heard was that his dad was the one to blame for it. If that wasn't the case then screw Derek too.
Guess I was one of the lucky ones.
Originally Posted by EDawg
YO MAMMA!
are you retarded?
not that i have anything against retarded people.
i just wanted to know if there is something wrong with you?
are you retarded?
not that i have anything against retarded people.
i just wanted to know if there is something wrong with you?
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From: sulphur, la
Originally Posted by 2002_Z28_Six_Speed
That is what I am talking about! There are a bunch of teens on here that haven't the faintest about anything automotive. Time and time again people have ran stock converters from low hp apps and they will hold that much power. Many people make their living off cutting stockers open, brazing them, and reselling. But I guess I am up in the clouds compared to half the people on this site.
but then again, are you retarded?
i'am done here!
good luck with your bashing!!!
I run a PTC converter myself. Its not a Fuddle but is a $350 converter for a TH-350. I think their 4L60 converter is around 450. Anyway, I dont think building converters is rocket science. They are all made up of the same basic components and work the same way. It really all comes down to picking the right converter for your car. As long as the company you are buying it from can build it to suit what you need thats all you need.
Originally Posted by MNR-0
I think you will find the heavy bashers have personal agendas. There is always more to the story than meets the eye. It appears to me a minority of individuals have made it a mission to lible Fuddle, which speaks volumes for their intentions.
I always go back to the same question, what would Fuddle gain or what would be their motivation to deliberately create friction with ppl. when they know its such a public and verbal community? Nothing. So I guess it might come down to the fact everyone is different and some ppl. have less tolerance than others.
I have never heard of a converter NOT being delivered, nor Fuddle say you will never get your money back for an undelivered product. I have heard that some orders will be delayed due to foundry issues, which have since been sorted. I have, however, heard many stories about how they go out of their way to make sure you are happy with the choice you have made, and at their expense fix things if they don't work right. I guess that doesnt seem to fit right with some people who must positively have stuff right here right now and stuff everything else. I dont know any Company that would enjoy doing business with these kind of customers, and I dont suppose those customers like doing business with these kind of companies.
I always go back to the same question, what would Fuddle gain or what would be their motivation to deliberately create friction with ppl. when they know its such a public and verbal community? Nothing. So I guess it might come down to the fact everyone is different and some ppl. have less tolerance than others.
I have never heard of a converter NOT being delivered, nor Fuddle say you will never get your money back for an undelivered product. I have heard that some orders will be delayed due to foundry issues, which have since been sorted. I have, however, heard many stories about how they go out of their way to make sure you are happy with the choice you have made, and at their expense fix things if they don't work right. I guess that doesnt seem to fit right with some people who must positively have stuff right here right now and stuff everything else. I dont know any Company that would enjoy doing business with these kind of customers, and I dont suppose those customers like doing business with these kind of companies.
Originally Posted by CAT3
Oh man, John can definately hook that up...that could be my old converter, of course with your choice of STR for your tire selection. His 4k in my car with NA was alright, a little loose on the street (would fry the tires from a city cruising speed roll) but at the track it rev'd and hit hard. GL
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I took possesion of my Fuddle 3400 on Wendsday of last week and had it installed by friday. I love the product because it has already been "street" tested by me (lots of new kills 
) and will be track tested this Saturday. It delivered what it said it would, so far. Time will be the test of durability. The buying experience was mixed. The first time I talked with John he was very helpful in helping me decide which product was best suited for my current mods and future mods in my Z. Order was placed but it took almost 3 1/2 weeks for delivery when it should have been about 1-1 1/2 weeks, per him. I placed VARIOUS phone calls with messages left but no response was obtained either by E-Mail or Phone 
. This is usually not very good for business, especially when your Credit card number has already been given. This makes consumers like me nervous. Then all of a sudden here is my converter delivered and a phone call from Johns wife the next day to verify delivery. She explained that He had been hospitalized and things had fallen behind!!!
Sometimes smaller companies take more orders than what they can fill in a timely manner. That just happens, but the customer shoud always be allerted to delays when they occur. I've heard good and bad on the site and hope that John is a man of his word (as others have stated) when it comes to customer satisfaction and warrenty issues. As for now this is what I have to say about my stall:
WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Car came to life again!!!!!
) and will be track tested this Saturday. It delivered what it said it would, so far. Time will be the test of durability. The buying experience was mixed. The first time I talked with John he was very helpful in helping me decide which product was best suited for my current mods and future mods in my Z. Order was placed but it took almost 3 1/2 weeks for delivery when it should have been about 1-1 1/2 weeks, per him. I placed VARIOUS phone calls with messages left but no response was obtained either by E-Mail or Phone . This is usually not very good for business, especially when your Credit card number has already been given. This makes consumers like me nervous. Then all of a sudden here is my converter delivered and a phone call from Johns wife the next day to verify delivery. She explained that He had been hospitalized and things had fallen behind!!!Sometimes smaller companies take more orders than what they can fill in a timely manner. That just happens, but the customer shoud always be allerted to delays when they occur. I've heard good and bad on the site and hope that John is a man of his word (as others have stated) when it comes to customer satisfaction and warrenty issues. As for now this is what I have to say about my stall:
WOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Car came to life again!!!!! 
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So... I personally dont have a Fuddle (I have a M6) but I have installed one in a close friends car. It was a 3600 stall.
As far as CS... I know John talked to my buddy for a good while talking about the converter and how to properly launch it and what will/wont work. He was VERY satisfied.
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As far as cutting costs.... you aparently havent done much as far as business is concerned. There are numerous ways you can cut cost (besides going to China). The actual converters themselves dont cost that much to make. The majority of your overhead comes from management, distribution, and marketing. If you eliminate advertising and middlemen, then you are looking at cutting a large piece of the cost. Look at walmart, that is exactly what they do (plus overseas)... they eliminate the middleman.
Can you buy a fuddle at summit or jegs? No, because you buy them direct. That saves cost.
If you cant see this, then you are blind.
As far as CS... I know John talked to my buddy for a good while talking about the converter and how to properly launch it and what will/wont work. He was VERY satisfied.
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As far as cutting costs.... you aparently havent done much as far as business is concerned. There are numerous ways you can cut cost (besides going to China). The actual converters themselves dont cost that much to make. The majority of your overhead comes from management, distribution, and marketing. If you eliminate advertising and middlemen, then you are looking at cutting a large piece of the cost. Look at walmart, that is exactly what they do (plus overseas)... they eliminate the middleman.
Can you buy a fuddle at summit or jegs? No, because you buy them direct. That saves cost.
If you cant see this, then you are blind.