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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 98TAauto:
<strong>my vig3600 has the lucky #7 pump <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So will my VIG 3600 have the #7 pump as well? What makes it so lucky?
<strong>my vig3600 has the lucky #7 pump <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So will my VIG 3600 have the #7 pump as well? What makes it so lucky?
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Re: pump numbers on PI converters
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by new-LS1:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 98TAauto:
<strong>my vig3600 has the lucky #7 pump <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So will my VIG 3600 have the #7 pump as well? What makes it so lucky?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The ETs make is lucky. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
At the end of the track you say "man I'm a lucky guy."
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 98TAauto:
<strong>my vig3600 has the lucky #7 pump <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So will my VIG 3600 have the #7 pump as well? What makes it so lucky?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The ETs make is lucky. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
At the end of the track you say "man I'm a lucky guy."
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Re: pump numbers on PI converters
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Paul @ Thunder:
<strong>The pump number is how loose or how much stall the converter will have. They however, do not go in order.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you! I was thinking it was that, but some unintelligent person was arguing with me that they don't mean that.
<strong>The pump number is how loose or how much stall the converter will have. They however, do not go in order.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you! I was thinking it was that, but some unintelligent person was arguing with me that they don't mean that.
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Re: pump numbers on PI converters
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by new-LS1:
<strong>So will my VIG3600 have pump #7?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well in most cases that is true but it really depends on how the converter was ordered. If you ordered a 279715 then yes it will be a #7 pump. If you take a #7 pump converter and put it behind a 400" stroker motor then it no longer a 3600, it's going to be more like a 4000. To have a true 3600 stall you would go with a #6 pump in that case. Gear ratio also plays a big role in converter stall as well. You get my drift? But yes most likely your converter will be a #7 pump.
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<strong>So will my VIG3600 have pump #7?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well in most cases that is true but it really depends on how the converter was ordered. If you ordered a 279715 then yes it will be a #7 pump. If you take a #7 pump converter and put it behind a 400" stroker motor then it no longer a 3600, it's going to be more like a 4000. To have a true 3600 stall you would go with a #6 pump in that case. Gear ratio also plays a big role in converter stall as well. You get my drift? But yes most likely your converter will be a #7 pump.
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Re: pump numbers on PI converters
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Paul @ Thunder:
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Gear ratio also plays a big role in converter stall as well. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you are referring to brake stall, yes that is true. The higher the gear ratio, the lower the torque required to break the rear wheels loose. Therefore at launch you can not load the converter as high with 4.10s as you can with 2.73s. However, the moment you release the brake and simultaneously mash the gas, the converter will jump to its true stall speed (for that motor) no matter what gears you have. With 4.10 gears, you'll stay at the true stall speed a shorter period of time as the converter output shaft catches up faster than if you had 2.73s.
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Gear ratio also plays a big role in converter stall as well. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you are referring to brake stall, yes that is true. The higher the gear ratio, the lower the torque required to break the rear wheels loose. Therefore at launch you can not load the converter as high with 4.10s as you can with 2.73s. However, the moment you release the brake and simultaneously mash the gas, the converter will jump to its true stall speed (for that motor) no matter what gears you have. With 4.10 gears, you'll stay at the true stall speed a shorter period of time as the converter output shaft catches up faster than if you had 2.73s.
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Re: pump numbers on PI converters
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ragtop 99:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Paul @ Thunder:
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Gear ratio also plays a big role in converter stall as well. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you are referring to brake stall, yes that is true. The higher the gear ratio, the lower the torque required to break the rear wheels loose. Therefore at launch you can not load the converter as high with 4.10s as you can with 2.73s. However, the moment you release the brake and simultaneously mash the gas, the converter will jump to its true stall speed (for that motor) no matter what gears you have. With 4.10 gears, you'll stay at the true stall speed a shorter period of time as the converter output shaft catches up faster than if you had 2.73s.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You are 100% correct about the brake and true stall of the converter. True stall can really only be achieved with a transbrake. Once you release the brake and go WOT then you are at flash stall, not true stall any longer. Gear ratio plays a big role in the flash stall of the converter. A car with 3.23 will have a higher flash stall then a car with 4.10s. Flash stall is the really what you are seeing on the track not true stall.
So I think what I'm saying is that we are both right. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Paul @ Thunder:
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Gear ratio also plays a big role in converter stall as well. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you are referring to brake stall, yes that is true. The higher the gear ratio, the lower the torque required to break the rear wheels loose. Therefore at launch you can not load the converter as high with 4.10s as you can with 2.73s. However, the moment you release the brake and simultaneously mash the gas, the converter will jump to its true stall speed (for that motor) no matter what gears you have. With 4.10 gears, you'll stay at the true stall speed a shorter period of time as the converter output shaft catches up faster than if you had 2.73s.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You are 100% correct about the brake and true stall of the converter. True stall can really only be achieved with a transbrake. Once you release the brake and go WOT then you are at flash stall, not true stall any longer. Gear ratio plays a big role in the flash stall of the converter. A car with 3.23 will have a higher flash stall then a car with 4.10s. Flash stall is the really what you are seeing on the track not true stall.
So I think what I'm saying is that we are both right. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
Paul