My TH400 build
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My TH400 build Rossler TH400 terminator II w/ deep-pan upgrade $1485+ shipping
Fuddle 3200 HP stall 645 + shipping
B/M magnum pro stick w/ T-brake handle
24" frame rail cooler
TCI flexplate
ARP flywheel bolts
Z-series temp gauge
=605 shipped for the 5 items listed above.
Madman dipstick $70 + shipping
SO FAR: $3030 with estimated shipping charges, and I still will need a tranny yoke, and driveshaft, and some labor charges.
Ouch. Should be worth it though
Fuddle 3200 HP stall 645 + shipping
B/M magnum pro stick w/ T-brake handle
24" frame rail cooler
TCI flexplate
ARP flywheel bolts
Z-series temp gauge
=605 shipped for the 5 items listed above.
Madman dipstick $70 + shipping
SO FAR: $3030 with estimated shipping charges, and I still will need a tranny yoke, and driveshaft, and some labor charges.
Ouch. Should be worth it though
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Originally Posted by Frost
Sup dude?
What's the pn# of that flexplate and that ARP hardware? Sans a cooler; that's all I need.
Thanks!
What's the pn# of that flexplate and that ARP hardware? Sans a cooler; that's all I need.
Thanks!
arp-330-2802
If you would split it up Id like to get the shifter and flexplate. Can you get some pics of them and send them to jyarber@cableone.net ?? Also what tooth is the flexplate and how is it balanced?
Originally Posted by 93 4mula
If you would split it up Id like to get the shifter and flexplate. Can you get some pics of them and send them to jyarber@cableone.net ?? Also what tooth is the flexplate and how is it balanced?
Personally I'd go with a different manufacturer of converter. If the converter goes bad it could take the trans with it. I'd want a better track record with a high hp application. Nothing personal against fuddle, they just don't have the reputation yet.
Are you going to be driving this on the street ninetres? If so you might want to ask carl to setup the trans to give engine braking in 2nd gear, you also might want to get the speedo setup installed.
Are you going to be driving this on the street ninetres? If so you might want to ask carl to setup the trans to give engine braking in 2nd gear, you also might want to get the speedo setup installed.
I think the only weak link would be the Fuddle. I mean you spent the extra money on all those other nice parts, so why not go with a Yank, Vig, or even a Chance converter? Just my two cents though. And in the end, it'd still be a tranny that I wouldn't mind sitting under my car. 
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Originally Posted by Zombie
Personally I'd go with a different manufacturer of converter. If the converter goes bad it could take the trans with it. I'd want a better track record with a high hp application. Nothing personal against fuddle, they just don't have the reputation yet.
Are you going to be driving this on the street ninetres? If so you might want to ask carl to setup the trans to give engine braking in 2nd gear, you also might want to get the speedo setup installed.
Are you going to be driving this on the street ninetres? If so you might want to ask carl to setup the trans to give engine braking in 2nd gear, you also might want to get the speedo setup installed.
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Originally Posted by WhiteStripes
I think the only weak link would be the Fuddle. I mean you spent the extra money on all those other nice parts, so why not go with a Yank, Vig, or even a Chance converter? Just my two cents though. And in the end, it'd still be a tranny that I wouldn't mind sitting under my car.
If you read above I am trusting Fuddle largely due to my buddy having good success with his....and because I am already WAY over my TH400 budget even with the fuddle converter.
As far as the stall hurting the tranny...
I have run 2 th350s and had one th400 that I had rebuilt after over a year on it... I had the 1 stall go bad on the th350 and 1 fail on the th400. Neither one hurt my tranny at all. A good friend of mine who has also been into cars for the last 13-14 years has had 4-5 fail, mostly larger "street" converters, and his never hurt his tranny either. I'm not saying that it's not possible that it could cause problems, but it hasn't been my experience.
I have run 2 th350s and had one th400 that I had rebuilt after over a year on it... I had the 1 stall go bad on the th350 and 1 fail on the th400. Neither one hurt my tranny at all. A good friend of mine who has also been into cars for the last 13-14 years has had 4-5 fail, mostly larger "street" converters, and his never hurt his tranny either. I'm not saying that it's not possible that it could cause problems, but it hasn't been my experience.
There are TONS of no-name companies out there making racing TH stalls for a LONG TIME now as well, you'd think if this was a big issue you'd have heard more of it (or of it at all). I can see it happening easier with a lockup stall fwiw...
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Originally Posted by Frost
There are TONS of no-name companies out there making racing TH stalls for a LONG TIME now as well, you'd think if this was a big issue you'd have heard more of it (or of it at all). I can see it happening easier with a lockup stall fwiw...
While the customer service is definitely a concern of mine I took a calculated risk after discussing this very same issue with John himself. You all just might eat your words if I receive my converter in a timely manner.....and it works. On the other hand I may eat mine.....but a budget is a budget and this seemed to be a good route seeing as my buddy is going mid 10s with the cheaper fuddle.
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Originally Posted by SuperZ
Ive seen those frame rail cooler.Have you seen anything on how they work???
And I am going to mount mine up front, under the intercooler so I assume it will get better air flow than if I were to mount it on the frame.
My mechanic seems to think that a huge cooler is WAYYYYY over kill on a car that is not road raced or towing some huge boat and such. He says it won"t overheat driving around, or making a 1/4 mile pass so I just have to be careful in traffic on hot days.
it WILL make HEAAAAAT on the highway if the cruise RPM is below stall speed, and it almost always is... the further under stall speed you are cruising, the higher slip %. Buy a nice cooler; in the end, it's cheap insurance.
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Originally Posted by Frost
it WILL make HEAAAAAT on the highway if the cruise RPM is below stall speed, and it almost always is... the further under stall speed you are cruising, the higher slip %. Buy a nice cooler; in the end, it's cheap insurance.
I can cruise way below my stall speed without issue. The problem is when your rpms are a lot over what they should be for as close to a 1:1 ratio. I can cruise 45 mph in 3rd @ 1800 rpms and very light throttle, to accellerate the rpms will go to 3000 rpms. Most of the high heat is when the converter is in slip, if you are not slipping you are not creating heat. I cruise 2700 rpms on the free way all the time and the stall is 3000 n/a, when i give it gas to pass it will go to 3500. At 2700 it has very little slip. Bigger the stall, the more slip it has. Stall speed varies by power applied to the converter.
Very true... and in a high HP street car app tighter below stall is always better. The nice part about the turbo is that you can a converter that is tight with a lower rated stall speed and as the boost comes up, so does the stall speed. I have a 3K stall built beefcake for FI/NX and a heavy ride and will be running 3.08s in my 12-bolt.
So... Ninetres and everyone else here with th400s/350s with manual VBs and trans brakes:
How are yours setup? Did you opt for the less common with engine braking at least in second or are you free wheeling on the street?
and will be running 3.08s in my 12-bolt.So... Ninetres and everyone else here with th400s/350s with manual VBs and trans brakes:
How are yours setup? Did you opt for the less common with engine braking at least in second or are you free wheeling on the street?