Superman

to be honest if I ever went to a higher stall converter it would be a Yank.
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Ragtop 99

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Kristi: I didn't say your converter didn't have problems, only that the fact that you had chatter and a lining issue doesn't mean that all chatter is caused by bad linings. It is more than knowing about converters, it is called statistical inference and your extrapolation of results is just plain wrong. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> And yes, my own chattering Yanks have been cut open when I was running protoype converters with different clutches as part of Yank's effort to solve this issue and the lining was fine, but the clutch surface was lightly glazed.

As far as being out $700, I know Mike tried to contact you several times and couldn't get through to you. In fact, I even posted for you to call him because he knew your car was down and was ready to help you out, but you didn't answer the phone or call him back. Let's not forget that you were dragging him through the mud before any final resolution was made, so I'm sure that made him want to go out of his way to help you.

Let's get back on topic. If you want to post about TCI and your happiness, go ahead; other wise give it a rest.

Kristi

Great, OK... I love my TCI! My husband loved his TCI! Our transmission guy loves his TCI! I'm sure we'll love our TCI 4400! We love TCI's customer service! Life is beautiful <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Have a nice day <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Kristi

BTW- 2xLS1, You're right, I'm sure all the brands have had a few converters out there that had chatter problems. The difference is, they honored their warranty on those converters whereas Yank did not.... not for me and not for God knows how many people I've heard from who had the same problems from the same converter.

I was wrong it making it sound as if no other brands have had ANY problems. Thanks for bringing it to my attention <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Raughammer

Blue, that is such ca-ca, "the fastest guys are going to run Yank, period". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
Baloney, we are going to run what ever helps us go the fastest. Whether it be Yank, vig or some other as of yet unknown, converter company.

When, and if, a new verter company comes along that puts down better times... folks will beat a path to his companies door. Until then? Yank is on top. Just like PI used to be. Yanks put down better numbers than the competition, so the quicker/faster guys use them. Period.

No other verter is even coming close to Yanks 1.3 60's on a N/A 346 LS1, killer MPH or super low E.T.'s.

John Campbell
"Will Race for Food"

Ragtop 99

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 99BlueZ28:
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I guess we'll never know if the other converters can cut the same 60' cuz the top dogs are gonna run a Yank plain and simple. Only guy up top running a Vig 3600 still has 346 ci under the hood so you can't compare that to the guys running 422 ci stage 3 or 7.0 ltr strokers or an aggressor 500 package. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dan, most of the top guys switched to Yank from Vig 3600s before they had big cube motors. The Vig 3600 was king until the YTP4400 came along, and after enough results to got out there, people started switching. I think the Vig 3600 60's well, but the top end dies. On the the other hand it feels tighter and and is less expensive.

Tim98TA

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Raughammer:
<strong>No other verter is even coming close to Yanks 1.3 60's on a N/A 346 LS1, killer MPH or super low E.T.'s.

John Campbell
"Will Race for Food"</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Course there are other factors involved too right?

Why not put a comparable convertor in the SAME 2900-3000lb car and it probably WILL do it.

Tim

99BlueZ28

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mmiller:
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh brother! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Do I have to spell out everything done to each individual car to make my point? Maybe for you I do. <img border="0" alt="[Banging Head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />

Of course the other mods done to the cars affects their performance. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> The point I'm trying to make is look at the 60 ft. times the Yank convertered cars are cutting. Pretty impressive. Where are the competition's converters at with their times?

Yank dominates, until I see otherwise.
<img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" /> [/QB][/QUOTE]

I guess we'll never know if the other converters can cut the same 60' cuz the top dogs are gonna run a Yank plain and simple. Only guy up top running a Vig 3600 still has 346 ci under the hood so you can't compare that to the guys running 422 ci stage 3 or 7.0 ltr strokers or an aggressor 500 package. Wouldn't be apples to apples would it? Now stop bangin your head so much you're gonna get a headache. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Raughammer

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Tim98TA:
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why not put a comparable convertor in the SAME 2900-3000lb car and it probably WILL do it.
Tim[/QB][/QUOTE]

So get busy. DO IT!
John

Tim98TA

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Raughammer:
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So get busy. DO IT!
John</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bring your car to BR and we'll be glad to perform the swap and test.

Tim

Chris Spiess

The whole tone of your page is that TCI is ripping everyone off. Did TCI promise you or anyone they used all new parts or machined their own cases? Did they print that somewhere or make promises to that effect? Certainly not that I am aware of. Does the quality of the Yank look better, sure, but John you seem to take personally that TCI may cut into Yank's sales. TCI's converters work just fine and they have a bunch of customers who believe they do as well. When I was looking at converters, let's see a Yank for $900-$1000 or a TCI for $500. Will the yank perform better? Well maybe, but how much? $400-$500 better? I doubt it. I see the difference as the possibility that I may finally get headers on the car this winter. Kevin Winstead took time to answer some questions for me both on the forum and in some personal email. Out of several emails to Yank, I recieved one reply that wasn't particularly helpful, nor did it address the questions I asked, it simply restated the information on their website. I also called Yank and was given the impression that weren't really concerned with my business or questions for such a common and trivial application. My car is boring by your scale I am sure, but bear with me for a minute....I went from 13.2 to 13.0 with my TCI 3500 on street tries and 12.7 on slicks. Five tenths for my mild car for $500 seems like a pretty good value. If you want to ship me a PYE3600, I'm more than happy to try it though.

gto69judge

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APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON

Chris SpieSS suggests comparing his TCI 3500 (Super Streetfighter) to yet a different category converter - the PYE3600.

WHY NOT COMPARE THE SAME STALL/TYPE CONVERTERS???

The majority of this thread is comparing lower stall converters from one manufacturer to a higher/lower stall or different STR converter from a different manufacturer.

I would love to see a comparison on the same vehicle using converters from different manufacturers of the same stall/type.

The Yank ST3500 seems to be representative of the most frequently purchased converter. If you are going to do a usefull comparison, it seems only logical to compare it to a TCI 3500, not the 3000.

If The majority of the swaps will be to a 3500 rpm converter, what is the point of showing the internals of 3000 stall converters? It is kind of like looking at Ford's 4 cylinder engine cut apart compared to GM's 4 cylinder - who cares! I am sure that internals of the LS1 (the engine we care about) are very different than those of Ford's 4 cylinder. On the same train of thought, Yanks ST3500 internals are probably different than the photos of the 3000 posted. By the same token, I would imagine TCI 3500 internals are quite different than those of the TCI shown, especially since the 3500 costs more than the 3000.

If the metal around the brazed fins is not as shiny as that of the yank, or there is paint spattered on the hub of the TCI does that matter? I am more concerned about "bang for the buck" or how much performance I get for my money. If the TCI 3500 will perform as well as the Yank ST 3500 and cost less and have a better warrantee, I think TCI would be the obvious choice. If however the Yank performs noicably better, Yank would get the sale.

I installed a TCI 3500 converter in a 2002 WS6 with a Lid and 224/224 @114 cam, which seems represenative of the best "bang for the buck" mods. If Yank would give me an "off the shelf" ST 3500 for comparison, I would be willing to swap the converters and document the legitimate difference.

Bout'ItZ28

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im having problems w/ my yank pt series converter(not locking). f@ckin clutches <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> maybe i can get a high stall tci on discount and do a real comparison w/ track times etc.

Chris Spiess

Judge, i wasn't meaning to compare my TCI to a PYE3600. That's just what I would have gotten if I decided to spend the extra on a Yank. IMO the extra $100 for a PYE over a ST is a no brainer.

gto69judge

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Chris SpieSS, I didn't mean to single you out. It is just irritating to see many posts about 4400 rpm converters etc. which are in a totally different league and price category and can't legitimately be compared to those pictured.

I just hate to see a comparison - especially with great detail and photos - of a manufacturers low end product, inferring that it is representative of ALL of their products.

You mention that you would rather buy the upscale SY3600 which has more features and increased stall. I think you just reinforced my point that the majority of us are not looking for one of the low end 3000 rpm converters as shown in the comparisons. A comparison should be made on converters more like the ST3500 and TCI 3500 which will be purchased by the typical buyer and yield the best performance for their money.

<small>[ September 15, 2002, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: GTO69JUDGE ]</small>

boomcase

I said it before ill say it again my tci 3000 stall verses any other companies with same mods as my car,or similar (on the street). my tci was worth 5 tenths so bring if you want ..if not leaves the insults about converters off the page.Correct me if im wrong but tci doesnt make a stall for f bodies over 3800,so dont compare the 4400 yank ok.Be fair about this dont be stuped.

Colonel

You'll be hard pressed to find many folks with 3000 stalls around here. What kind of times are you running and what kind of mods are we talking about here?

5 tenths is very respectable for such a mild converter. 2.73 geared cars pick up ALOT from converters since they so very need the extra TQ multiplication.

Patrick G

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Bout'ItZ28 said:im having problems w/ my yank pt series converter(not locking). f@ckin clutches maybe i can get a high stall tci on discount and do a real comparison w/ track times etc.

Most people that have lockup problems with Pro Thruster converters have to do with programming issues (such as misfires keeping the converter from locking up). Does your converter lockup when you first start driving, then stop later on or does it not lock up at all? I had lockup issues on my old '98 Camaro until I had MTI programming fix the problem. Locked up like a champ every time after that.

Patrick

Bout'ItZ28

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my car is a 98 w/ ed wright tuning. put the converter in ~3000 miles ago and everything was fine (no lock up issues or anything else). NOW THIS THING JUST REVS. it acts like it is going to lock then it just REVS. imagine doing 50mph around town at 4500 rpm and w/ my exhaust=aint fun. had the guy that built my tranny drive it and he noticed it right away and said the clutches were out/going out in the converter. now i hope this thing hasnt messed up my $2400 4l60e tranny

Ragtop 99

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Bout-It:
Do you hear any chatter or grinding sounds when it is trying to lock-up?

Did the problem develop gradually or all of a sudden?

I'd check on atap on the highway to:
1) make sure that the computer has called for lock-up.
2) you don't have any pending trouble codes.