i finially got ahold of some money... so im gonna get a stall hopefully this next coming weeknd . so my question is .. Is a 3600vigilante to weak for a MS3 sized cam? people keep telling me to go 4000 and i'd figured its gonna suck for my daily driver! i want to shoot for 11's full bolt-on's and low 11's with a cam-only!

im doin 12.5@ 111 rite now w/ 373's, cold air, p&p TB and full exhuast.

 

You should probably ask this in the Auto section. Or maybe the Gen III internal area.. Texas-Speed could help you as well.

But back to the question, I run a PT4000, but I am on the stock cam, so its nowhere near as soft down low as the MS3 would be. But since the converter is so loose as well, it may be a moot point. Really other than gears, LS6, and lid my car is pretty mild. I'd consider myself a bit of a "weenie" when it comes to things like this but I have no issues with one that loose. I had a 3400 2.1 Fuddle in it previously. With that converter it was super easy to drive. With this one you have to pay attention or you'll accidentally be turning 3K + every time you take off, so in that regard its worse.

Seeing as you are in TX, I'd almost bet my life that there is someone in the area with a MS3 and a big stall, maybe they would let you drive their car (or at least take you for a ride).

 

Well I got a Yank ss3600 and installed it last weekend... I took it to the track and ran 8.56 on street tires in the 8th... I couldn't hook up worth a damn... I think with good sticky tires (and when I finally put my 3.73s in) I could hit a 8 flat? Stall brake launching is ****** sweet man!!! I am more than pleased with my 3600 but they say that Vig underrates their stalls by like 200 so your 3600 vig may act more like a 3800...

 

Actually a vig3200 acts like a 3600 and a vig3600 acts like a 4000. You're worried about a converter feeling loose in a daily driver but you put a MS3 cam in it? What's wrong with this picture

If I were you I would look at a Yank SS4000. That stall will give the cam the extra rpm's it'll want and shouldn't feel as loose as the Vig3600 (really a 4000 stall).

Now that's not to say a 3500/3600 stall won't work. It will work but you'd be giving up a little ET at the track and a little extra zip from a rolling WOT run.

Good luck and don't forget the tranny cooler. It's a must and the bigger the better!

 

damm i really stumped between 3600/4000 stall... i think i might have to go 4000.. but damm i can already see gas gettin eaten... thanks for the info darren

 

I have an ss4000, for a 4k stall I dont think its loose at all. Only time I see 3000rpms is going up steep hills. Its not bad for a DD but most likley you will need a tranny tune to maximize drivability.

 

Is the MS3 new to you? I think you'll be surprised at how a big cam will sometimes improve you gas millage. I think it's cause you loose some of that low end torque that makes you want to step into it leaving every stop light. With the stall you're not going to "nail it" every time you take off. Anyway, that's my .02.

 

Please, please, pick up the phone, call Dave at Yank, and ask him what you
should run. He builds 'em, so he'll know the best TC to use.

 

I have a 3600 lockup and a MS3 and its awesome. No surging or anything at redlights or anything. The 3600 deff isnt to low of a stall for a MS3 based cam.

 

my vote is for the yank SS4000.... i just ordered a SS3600 for my bolt on only LT1!!! that i DD in the summer! yanks r the best of all the worlds.... tighter for DD ability, u dont loose as much mph, and they launch hard too! call dave im sure he will recommend u a SS4000

 

Very true. I run a Vig 3600 in my car. My datalogs from the track Friday show the rpm's flashing to roughly 4000 rpm's on every launch. Mine honestly doesn't feel that bad at all on the street. You have to remember, you'll still have lockup in Drive and Overdrive, so it isn't all that bad. My exhaust is quiet too, so that makes converter even less noticeable.

 

may want to take a look at our converter line, I personally have P-built 3000 in my 01 t/a and it is amazing really good street manners but shows its rear when you get on it.

 

thanks for the replys.. every1 recommendin 4000 stalls.. i might as well go cam only T-rex with that big of a stall...

 

I've had 2 Yank SS3600's and with 3.73's, it's a killer stall. I finally stepped up to a PT4000 and didn't notice much difference in drivieability. When I hit the converter hard the difference definitely SOTP and it hits a lot harder. It's about $120.00 more than the SS3600 is.

 

I will be picking up my Precision Industries Vigilante 3600 stall @ Speed Inc sometime this week, which will work best for my set up.

 

Might as well

 

Ss4000!!!!!

 

I just got my Vig 3600 yesterday! I'll post results when I install it.

 

get a 4000, get lock up reprogrammed in 3rd gear at 28 and 33 in 4th. stay off the throttle, and make sure you keep the car locked up. it will be ok.

 

Having a converter MAKES me want to nail it from every light.