2011 Mustang 5.0L V8 Dyno Test
03-21-2010, 06:04 PM
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While the Mazda RX line was a borderline joke to begin with, the RX8 surely pushed it over the edge.
The RX8 should NEVER be associated with any of it's predecessors. The turbo RX7 was the last real Mazda ever made. Everything since is either crap, or complete crap (Ford).
The RX8 should NEVER be associated with any of it's predecessors. The turbo RX7 was the last real Mazda ever made. Everything since is either crap, or complete crap (Ford).
03-21-2010, 07:24 PM
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370z 31k-36k new
g37 33k-46.9k
they are off my list. too little performance.
these are still on the list:
06-07 CTS-v
2006-2008 jaguar s type-r
2011 stang gt
I'll be buying one of those in the next month.
03-21-2010, 10:45 PM
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If by "outclassed" you mean inane features that usually end up breaking within 2 years then yes. If you mean pretentious styling that looks dated in 5 years, then yes to that too. I don't care of my dash is covered in leather or not. I don't care if my seats have heat or cool. I don't care for most BMWs I've driven. I mean they are awesome cars, but I could put together a better car for cheaper. Better meaning performance wise. Dad has owned 2 or 3 BMWs and a few Porches when I was as bit younger (and so was he). I was impressed with the 928s and 911s, but not the BMWs for some reason. My cousin owns two M3s that are neat however. I just couldn't care less about "elegant" interiors. It means nothing to me. My GT is about as luxurious as I want it to get. I'd get manual windows for it if I could. One less thing to break that isn't really needed. IMHO of course.
03-22-2010, 11:00 AM
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well fellas, im not bein a ford horn tooter, but the coyote WILL make that kind of power N/A modded. what you are failing to realize is, this motor is a street legal COPY of the 550hp coyote GT2 motor. this isnt a case of the FR500C motor that is out of reach pricewise. It's the same motor. with full bolt-ons from the 302R and head work the street version will do no less. time will tell.
the LS-1 even in ported form is giving up a lot of head flow.
03-22-2010, 12:53 PM
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well fellas, im not bein a ford horn tooter, but the coyote WILL make that kind of power N/A modded. what you are failing to realize is, this motor is a street legal COPY of the 550hp coyote GT2 motor. this isnt a case of the FR500C motor that is out of reach pricewise. It's the same motor. with full bolt-ons from the 302R and head work the street version will do no less. time will tell.
the LS-1 even in ported form is giving up a lot of head flow.
the LS-1 even in ported form is giving up a lot of head flow.
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03-22-2010, 01:50 PM
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well fellas, im not bein a ford horn tooter, but the coyote WILL make that kind of power N/A modded. what you are failing to realize is, this motor is a street legal COPY of the 550hp coyote GT2 motor. this isnt a case of the FR500C motor that is out of reach pricewise. It's the same motor. with full bolt-ons from the 302R and head work the street version will do no less. time will tell.
the LS-1 even in ported form is giving up a lot of head flow.
the LS-1 even in ported form is giving up a lot of head flow.
I know ls1 heads are not the best but time and time again i have seen 500rwhp combos coming out, there is one in the dyno section now making 522rwhp on a stock 3.9" bore ls1 shortblock with ported ls6 heads.
03-22-2010, 04:53 PM
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And they were pretty good lookin' cars too. I've ridden in a high 10 second LS1 swapped '93 RX7 and while it was a bit cramped in there the car was fast and handled well.
03-22-2010, 05:53 PM
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so you know this new ford motor will make over 500rwhp wtih a h/c swap plus full boltons? I just dont see it happening.
I know ls1 heads are not the best but time and time again i have seen 500rwhp combos coming out, there is one in the dyno section now making 522rwhp on a stock 3.9" bore ls1 shortblock with ported ls6 heads.
I know ls1 heads are not the best but time and time again i have seen 500rwhp combos coming out, there is one in the dyno section now making 522rwhp on a stock 3.9" bore ls1 shortblock with ported ls6 heads.
i wasnt saying LS-1's dont make 500+rwhp. i was saying the coyote will also. just saying the coyote heads "cant make 550" isnt true.
yes i do know the coyote willl make at least as much as the Yates 5.0liter GT2 cammer.
Codenamed Man Racer, the 5.0L V8 engine is rated at 550 hp (410 kW). This model features all of the features of a full race car, from heavily modified susupension to the large aerodynamic parts (which are effective). It also uses a 5.0L V8 engine built by Roush/Yates.
Homologated for the 2007 season, the Mustang FR500GT is designed to compete in the FIA GT3 European Championship series. The 5.0L V8 engine is rated to produce 550 hp (410 kW) at 7200 rpm and 570 N·m (420 lb·ft) at 6000 rpm torque.
Roush-Yates supplies a naturally aspirated 550 hp (410 kW) 5.0 L Cammer for use in the Mustang FR500GT3 and Matech-Ford GT3 which participate in the FIA GT3 European ChampionshipRoush-Yates will also supply a naturally aspirated 600 HP 5.0L Cammer for use in the Matech-Ford GT1 that will compete in the upcoming FIA GT1 World Championship.
4.6 liter based engines. all of these are using older heads. coyote heads are far better.
Nazman (Stang32v) (537/403 SAE) 5.3L, Ported 03+ Heads/FR500 Intake/Big Cams/RG blend. See post #318 for details.
Randy Haywood (548/439 STD*) 5.4L, Ported '00R's/Cams/Sheetmetal Intake/Carb.
Mike T.@Modular Performance (507 SAE) 5.0L, Ported FR500/PSR/Cams/RG. 5.0L HP Champion
ALLMTR2V by BES Race Engines (501/364 SAE) 289ci 4.6, Ported C Head, FR500 Intake, Big Cams, RG. Pure Street Race Engine. 4.6L HP Champion. See post 486 for details.
again im not tooting ford horn. its just factual stuff. im still tempted to buy an LS-2 based car.
the fastest all-motor street car i have ever seen was a 2000 SS SCCA car.
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03-22-2010, 06:26 PM
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not saying simple bolt ons will achieve those results, but for the first time everyone gets heads like these on a ford. its like starving for 30 years and finally getting fed. only gt500/Ford GT has heads that could perform. the rest of us got 3 valves and 215 cfm.
time will tell what the results will be. you see i know what i will get with an LS-2 caddy. we dont know with this motor. what we do have is examples in racing of last generation heads.
time will tell what the results will be. you see i know what i will get with an LS-2 caddy. we dont know with this motor. what we do have is examples in racing of last generation heads.
03-23-2010, 04:44 AM
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Gutless little windup toy.
03-23-2010, 10:18 AM
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You're wording is off. The engine is HARDLY JUNK. Was it as BIG and did it make as much power than the LS1? No. But that doesn't make it junk. The 4.6l modular engines have been known to be good working engines that last a long time. Just because they don't make as much power as a LS1 based engine doesn't mean it was junk, or crappy.
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03-23-2010, 10:29 AM
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And it would have probably cost more.
Not everyone buys a car because one is faster than the other. The Mustang historically selling better than the Camaro is proof of that. In the year or so I've had my Mustang, I've been into 5 races maybe. I am not going to buy a car based on 5% of it's usage.
Not everyone buys a car because one is faster than the other. The Mustang historically selling better than the Camaro is proof of that. In the year or so I've had my Mustang, I've been into 5 races maybe. I am not going to buy a car based on 5% of it's usage.
03-23-2010, 11:15 AM
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Ford has NEVER been into providing huge power for the average guy. if you look back to 1962-1965 and the medium rise 427 side oiler, it was a limited availability engine. chevy has been power to the people since Duntov. in the height of the muscle car wars, a R code 428 CJ 415hp mustang/cyclone/galaxie was the top billing against 396/427/454 chevy.
jump forward from 1972 to 1990 and things were a joke for both sides. then chevy put a vette 350 into the G3 camaro and i watched that car kill everything. LT-1 owned 93 cobra's. LS-x owned everthing till now.
the 5.0 coyote is the first time in my lifetime that a no holds barred motor is in a common ford. no need to pay $12,500.00 for a crate FR500. or hope an FR500 intake would pop up somewhere. look at others in envy of their killer heads while the average joe has to live with 4.6 4v B or C heads. GT500/GT heads are expensive, and there are no intakes available for them N/A. A Sullivan has to be hand welded and modded to work.
i dont know if management has changed or what. but it is unprecedented at ford to do these things. Maybe near collapse has done it. i doubt challenger/camaro has forced ford to react. the company never has in 100 years. And the Ford family is still running it. the 300 hp 31mpg V6 is the real money maker. they could have upper the 4.6 3v to 5.0 liter and 350hp and called it a day. the V6 would still have sold like hotcakes.
jump forward from 1972 to 1990 and things were a joke for both sides. then chevy put a vette 350 into the G3 camaro and i watched that car kill everything. LT-1 owned 93 cobra's. LS-x owned everthing till now.
the 5.0 coyote is the first time in my lifetime that a no holds barred motor is in a common ford. no need to pay $12,500.00 for a crate FR500. or hope an FR500 intake would pop up somewhere. look at others in envy of their killer heads while the average joe has to live with 4.6 4v B or C heads. GT500/GT heads are expensive, and there are no intakes available for them N/A. A Sullivan has to be hand welded and modded to work.
i dont know if management has changed or what. but it is unprecedented at ford to do these things. Maybe near collapse has done it. i doubt challenger/camaro has forced ford to react. the company never has in 100 years. And the Ford family is still running it. the 300 hp 31mpg V6 is the real money maker. they could have upper the 4.6 3v to 5.0 liter and 350hp and called it a day. the V6 would still have sold like hotcakes.
03-23-2010, 11:29 AM
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The main reason I was disappointed in the 4.6 dohc motor was Ford already had a player in the form of a 351w. They had the symmetrical intake layout long before the LS1. An aluminum 351w with a cylinder head with a lay out similar to their Nascar heads would have yielded a lighter vehicle with a similar power curve to our LS motor. We couldn't have touched it with the LS1 Camaro. Oh well..Ancient history.
Here Here.... any motor ford makes will fit into a Fox/Fox4(sn95). we begged ford for the 351w with Gt40 or better heads. heck the crate 351w was the Hp champion prior to the LS series motors when compared to 1990 350 SB chevy/ 360 dodge/ 351 W. ford was killing the windsor pushrod lines.
ford could have done the same thing with the 5.4 4v. nope.
engineers designed a 430 hp 5.75 liter v 10 4v. it was killed also.
03-23-2010, 01:56 PM
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You're wording is off. The engine is HARDLY JUNK. Was it as BIG and did it make as much power than the LS1? No. But that doesn't make it junk. The 4.6l modular engines have been known to be good working engines that last a long time. Just because they don't make as much power as a LS1 based engine doesn't mean it was junk, or crappy.
Then you'd have to say the same about every Camaro and T/A made before 1998.
Then you'd have to say the same about every Camaro and T/A made before 1998.
Edit: assassinator isn't included in the thin-skinned Ford crowd. He's got his **** straight.
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