2011 Mustang 5.0L V8 Dyno Test
03-29-2010, 06:12 PM
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Duly noted. But until there's some info to that fact all we can do is compare what we know. We all knew the 5.0 was coming long ago.....but GM is being tightlipped about what they have in store for the 2011 year model. More than likely they haven't decided what they want to do yet, although a performance gear option certainly sounds like a good way to go. Sadly, I can see GM just turning up the wick rather than improving the car's overall dynamics (ie: weight). Let's hope these early tests show GM that it isn't always about the power figures. Any SS owner can slap in a tune and make more power than Chevy will be likely to provide in an update.....so seeing the 2011 Camaro move up to 430 or 440 hp isn't going to impress me. Get the car to do more with the power it has, that's the way to go IMO.
the 2010 gt500 is a perfect example of 40 more hp and no results.
03-29-2010, 09:20 PM
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this website is going to ****,if its not gm you shouldnt be here.that kinda defeats the purpose of a GM website LS1TECH.lets here the cryin now,lol oh ford this ford that screw ford,if you dont like it go to svt performance and cry.this is a gm website lets keep it that way.
03-29-2010, 11:14 PM
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this website is going to ****,if its not gm you shouldnt be here.that kinda defeats the purpose of a GM website LS1TECH.lets here the cryin now,lol oh ford this ford that screw ford,if you dont like it go to svt performance and cry.this is a gm website lets keep it that way.
And that car doesn't exist... not sure if you are serious or not. Hopefully you aren't. And for the record, the 12.8 and 13.7s runs from the GT and V6 Mustangs (respectively) were run on an airstrip, not at a dragstrip. Those times still have plenty of room to drop.
03-29-2010, 11:40 PM
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Edmunds tested a new 5.0 - As-tested MSRP $40,035
Which is an eye-watering price for a Mustang GT.
It costs just as much money as the G8 GXP, any SRT8 or a bunch of other performance cars that are arguably better rounded. The Mustang is still virtually the same car that debuted in 2005, touting a $25k base price for the V8, with an interior/exterior facelift and new V8.
The price seems a bit hard to swallow given the Camaro is entirely new from the ground up. It's also worth noting that a new Camaro 2SS RS manual costs nearly 5,000 less ($35,995) and that new 5.0 did not soundly trounce it in any given performance category by Edmunds.
You'd have to tack on every dealer accessory to get an SS up to the $40k mark.
Which is an eye-watering price for a Mustang GT.
It costs just as much money as the G8 GXP, any SRT8 or a bunch of other performance cars that are arguably better rounded. The Mustang is still virtually the same car that debuted in 2005, touting a $25k base price for the V8, with an interior/exterior facelift and new V8.
The price seems a bit hard to swallow given the Camaro is entirely new from the ground up. It's also worth noting that a new Camaro 2SS RS manual costs nearly 5,000 less ($35,995) and that new 5.0 did not soundly trounce it in any given performance category by Edmunds.
You'd have to tack on every dealer accessory to get an SS up to the $40k mark.
03-29-2010, 11:44 PM
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Both Edmunds track tests.
Mustang GT 5.0 manual (with optional Brembos)
Track Test Results
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
0-60 mph (sec.) 4.8
0-75 mph (sec.) 7.0
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.0 @110.6
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.5
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
60-0 mph (ft.) 109
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 67.3
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.91g
Mustang - Acceleration comments Leave the line best at about 2,700 rpm with minimal wheelspin. Great shifter and engine sound. Easy to launch consistently, but not always quickly (5.1 to 60 easy, 4.9 not easy) barely makes quarter in 4th gear.
Camaro SS LS3 manual
Track Test Results
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
0-60 mph (sec.) 5
0-75 mph (sec.) 6.7
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.0 @ 110.9
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.7
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
60-0 mph (ft.) 109
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 68.6
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.88
Camaro Acceleration comments - Launch control is fun but easy to beat with a little care. Best launch from about 3,000 rpm: Get the clutch out fast then pedal it. This is an easy car to launch and it bangs gears like a serious pony car should -- good rubber in second and sometimes third. Fun and fast. Burnouts are easy.
Mustang GT 5.0 manual (with optional Brembos)
Track Test Results
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
0-60 mph (sec.) 4.8
0-75 mph (sec.) 7.0
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.0 @110.6
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.5
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
60-0 mph (ft.) 109
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 67.3
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.91g
Mustang - Acceleration comments Leave the line best at about 2,700 rpm with minimal wheelspin. Great shifter and engine sound. Easy to launch consistently, but not always quickly (5.1 to 60 easy, 4.9 not easy) barely makes quarter in 4th gear.
Camaro SS LS3 manual
Track Test Results
0-45 mph (sec.) 3.4
0-60 mph (sec.) 5
0-75 mph (sec.) 6.7
1/4-mile (sec. @ mph) 13.0 @ 110.9
0-60 with 1 foot of rollout (sec.) 4.7
Braking, 30-0 mph (ft.) 27
60-0 mph (ft.) 109
Slalom, 6 x 100 ft. (mph) 68.6
Skid pad, 200-ft. diameter (lateral g) 0.88
Camaro Acceleration comments - Launch control is fun but easy to beat with a little care. Best launch from about 3,000 rpm: Get the clutch out fast then pedal it. This is an easy car to launch and it bangs gears like a serious pony car should -- good rubber in second and sometimes third. Fun and fast. Burnouts are easy.
03-29-2010, 11:47 PM
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Mustang Base Price: $30,495
Camaro Base Price: $30,945
And to have an equivalent Mustang with Brembos you have to add $1,695 more to the Mustang's price.
It seems very weird that Ford would not (or could not) undercut GM more on the Mustang considering it's an old car they've been making for years under the skin and GM's is entirely new (with newer engineering, a vastly more sophisticated suspension, a very rigid body shell, dedicated assembly line and bespoke interior parts instead of corporate sharing).
Camaro Base Price: $30,945
And to have an equivalent Mustang with Brembos you have to add $1,695 more to the Mustang's price.
It seems very weird that Ford would not (or could not) undercut GM more on the Mustang considering it's an old car they've been making for years under the skin and GM's is entirely new (with newer engineering, a vastly more sophisticated suspension, a very rigid body shell, dedicated assembly line and bespoke interior parts instead of corporate sharing).
03-30-2010, 03:36 AM
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Yeah, it kind of does. Why the **** do I need to read mustang ads on a GM site? Do they not think about the target audience before they allow ads on this site? How about some honda ads too, maybe viagra or tampax? Its ******* stupid. Odds are they are not going to sway anybody to buy a mustang from this site.
Oh, it's just a car.
03-30-2010, 06:38 AM
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it doesnt matter how many times i post ,i still drive an ls1 and i can contribute anytime id like,but you on the other hand drive a honda so you have no room to talk.
i am serious,i agree that the 2011 gt isnt bad for the new 5.0 engine,let me find the mach 1 video i saw.
i am serious,i agree that the 2011 gt isnt bad for the new 5.0 engine,let me find the mach 1 video i saw.
03-30-2010, 11:00 AM
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I think it was written pretty clearly. Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. Then again, I may have to dumb it down to your 8th grade reading level. I have not come across one post in any thread where you didn't come off as a 15 year old stirring the pot.
My point was, the general consensus from Mustang guys on here was that the car would be faster than the 12.8 it ran. I know it's only one test by one source, but I'm only comparing it to what the same mag ran in the Camaro. Running a tenth quicker with identical trap speeds isn't the glaring victory that was expected.
I agree it will be a drivers race between the two cars, and I'm happy about that. Even though I am partial to GM, it's nice to see Ford come out with something like this.
Huh? I don't recall anyone (who matters) saying that the new GT was gonna walk all over the Camaro. I was expecting the new GT to be a couple tenths quicker at the most.....and that's exactly what the first test numbers have delivered.
I guess we should declare this "Disgruntled GM Fanboy Day". Ford has finally put out a Mustang that can hang with or even best its Camaro counterpart. Obviously there's going to be a lot of whining about it. The two cars are going to be a straight up driver's race 9 times out of 10, so at long last we've got a good competition going. I see no need for whining from either camp at this point.
I guess we should declare this "Disgruntled GM Fanboy Day". Ford has finally put out a Mustang that can hang with or even best its Camaro counterpart. Obviously there's going to be a lot of whining about it. The two cars are going to be a straight up driver's race 9 times out of 10, so at long last we've got a good competition going. I see no need for whining from either camp at this point.
My point was, the general consensus from Mustang guys on here was that the car would be faster than the 12.8 it ran. I know it's only one test by one source, but I'm only comparing it to what the same mag ran in the Camaro. Running a tenth quicker with identical trap speeds isn't the glaring victory that was expected.
I agree it will be a drivers race between the two cars, and I'm happy about that. Even though I am partial to GM, it's nice to see Ford come out with something like this.
03-30-2010, 11:03 AM
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03-30-2010, 11:14 AM
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Oh it was. I wasn't referring to the clarity of it. Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. Then again, I may have to dumb it down to your 8th grade reading level. I have not come across one post in any thread where you didn't come off as a 15 stirring the pot.
[/QUOTE]kevin, im not against you man. you are not going to win on a chevy site. if ford had built a 6.2 liter short stroke 4 valve that weighed 500 lbs dressed ans was in a stang there would be something to say. i like fords for the most part. but it is true ive had to build them myself to be satisfied.
what got everyone piling on is even the mention of a 2valve modular as being, even remotely, a performance vehicle.
i had decent results with a 5.4 3v that i modded a plastic intake on against TOTALLY stock LS cars. one blew up on the interstate chasing me. but a lid, and tune was out of my reach. in spite of my cars very light weight. that was a 277rwhp/340rwtq motor with no tune and only a modded intake manifold. hardly worth mentioning.
you've back yourself into a corner. the facts are: LS series small block are superior mod for mod against 4.6-5.0 liter 1991-2010 modulars. superior.
they are not inch for inch, but he who gets to the line wins.
if by some small chance an aluminum block Hurricane 6.2 liter to 7.5 liter motor makes its way into a FACTORY mustang that would change.
have no illusion. a 5.0 liter coyote in full race trim will make 550hp. but what will a full race 6.2 liter LS-3 make? quite a bit more. its cubes. the coyote will have to spin 7500 or more.
just my opinion man.
03-30-2010, 12:42 PM
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And I am not against you. 
Not trying to "win" anything. As this wasn't really a ford/chevy thing as other Chevy owners basically said the same thing about his reply as I did.
Huh?
No doubt in my mind with this. I haven't said otherwise. The LSX series of engines from GM are awesome.
Indeed. I agreed with you. I was speaking of stock for stock however.
you are not going to win on a chevy site.
you've back yourself into a corner.
the facts are: LS series small block are superior mod for mod against 4.6-5.0 liter 1991-2010 modulars. superior.
have no illusion. a 5.0 liter coyote in full race trim will make 550hp. but what will a full race 6.2 liter LS-3 make? quite a bit more. its cubes. the coyote will have to spin 7500 or more.
just my opinion man.
just my opinion man.