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Test Data Comparo - LS3 Camaro SS vs 5.0 Mustang GT

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Old 05-03-2010, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sax1031
104mph out of the V6 Stang is getting really close to what I generally see L99 A6 SS's run for trap speed. Wow.
Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
I wouldnt be so hard on the L99...they are just a little more inconsistent. The strong running L99 cars trap 106-109. The stock record for an L99 is 12.8...not too shabby (only 3 tenths behind ls3). I dont think A v6 stang will ever even come close to touching that in stock form.
I know this is from a few days back, but you also have to take into account that these are stock records. The L99 has some pretty weak factory tuning(shift points, firmness) along with a good bit of decreased torque settings from the get go.
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Definitely Justin. My point was the V6 get impresses me a lot.

Check out these videos of M/T heads up dragging the pony cars in the v8 and then v6 races.

V8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o3p8...eature=channel

But check out the V6 Comparison - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq17e...eature=channel

You can see the SS starting to gain some ground on the GT at the big end.



Also I little off topic but Evolution Performance has had a 2011 GT they took delivery on a few days ago. At 100 miles on the odo it laid down 368.6rwhp/352rwtq. With k&n drop in filter, offroad x-pipe, catback exhaust, and tune the car made 405rwhp/375rwtq. Not bad.
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^^^ I guess that debunks the haters saying that they don't respond to mods
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Evolution Just ran 12.04 at 117, mods were: Bogart slicks and skinnies with DOT slicks, Off-Road X-Pipe, Catback Exhaust System, K&N Drop In Filter, and a Custom Tune.
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That's strong mph for a couple of bolt-ons and a tune. So much for people saying it wouldn't hit 11s N/A...
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I'd like to see the 6speed v6 mustang and the a6 ss camaro run for the hell of it. That would be interesting to see if the six can hang with the ss, auto that is.
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
I'd like to see the 6speed v6 mustang and the a6 ss camaro run for the hell of it. That would be interesting to see if the six can hang with the ss, auto that is.
Doesn't the SS A6 have 20 hp less than the manual?
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Originally Posted by Spoolin
Doesn't the SS A6 have 20 hp less than the manual?
Yes i believe so.
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Originally Posted by Camaro Z
Evolution Just ran 12.04 at 117, mods were: Bogart slicks and skinnies with DOT slicks, Off-Road X-Pipe, Catback Exhaust System, K&N Drop In Filter, and a Custom Tune.
so 36 extra horsepower = 7 mph in the 1/4 from stock with 3800 race weight? interesting... me thinks some company is possibly attempting to drum up business for themselves . ill hold on any judgment until the car is modded by individuals though...
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
So much for people saying it wouldn't hit 11s N/A...
Were people actually saying that?
I know many were questioning whether it could hit 500rwhp NA or not but I didn't think that going '11s NA' was ever in doubt.
Hell, even the latest 4.6L GTs can hit 11s NA with a little work done.

This new 5.0 car will not only hit 11s NA but will even do it with just a few bolt ons in almost any weather.
Depending on how far one goes with weight reduction these GTs will go well into the 11s with full bolt ons and into the 10s with heads and cams.
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Originally Posted by got-a-ls1
so 36 extra horsepower = 7 mph in the 1/4 from stock with 3800 race weight? interesting...
I too am curious if all of the seats/jack & spare (if it even has one?) were still in the car but it's still very believable either way.
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Originally Posted by kennyxg
I'd like to see the 6speed v6 mustang and the a6 ss camaro run for the hell of it. That would be interesting to see if the six can hang with the ss, auto that is.
I think the SS automatic will still take the win every time, might not be by multiple car lengths but it is a true low 13 second/high 12 second car.
The manual V6 Mustangs might see a best of 13.4s/13.5s in the most ideal air/track conditions with the most skilled drivers.




Originally Posted by Spoolin
Doesn't the SS A6 have 20 hp less than the manual?
26hp to be exact.
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Originally Posted by got-a-ls1
so 36 extra horsepower = 7 mph in the 1/4 from stock with 3800 race weight? interesting... me thinks some company is possibly attempting to drum up business for themselves . ill hold on any judgment until the car is modded by individuals though...
I think they only made 1 possibly 2 runs stock. They definitely didn't try to get the car stock to run it's peak potential.

But the mph to me looks like it might be right at that power level. And here is why I say that.

Look at the car and driver review of the Saleen 302SMS:

Turns out what he really had in mind was the debut of his new SMS 302, which—you guessed it—is based on the new 2011 Mustang GT with its new 302-cubic-inch (5.0-liter) engine. The SMS 302 remains naturally aspirated but produces “over 440 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque”—improvements of 28 hp and 10 lb-ft—thanks to a new head design, a high-flow exhaust system, an optimized accessory-drive system, and reworked engine calibration. Zero to 60 mph is expected to take just 4.5 seconds with the quarter-mile passing in 13.5 seconds at 116 mph.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/car...302sc-car_news
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Originally Posted by Sax1031
I think they only made 1 possibly 2 runs stock. They definitely didn't try to get the car stock to run it's peak potential.
True...and of course it also wasn't/isn't in their best interest to run as quick/fast as possible in bone stock trim in order to make their modifications/tuning look more impressive to the potential future customer as well.
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I voted Mustang but after going through all the test results, I must say it's a driver's race. Both cars trap right at 111 mph in every test.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
Were people actually saying that?
I know many were questioning whether it could hit 500rwhp NA or not but I didn't think that going '11s NA' was ever in doubt.
Hell, even the latest 4.6L GTs can hit 11s NA with a little work done.

This new 5.0 car will not only hit 11s NA but will even do it with just a few bolt ons in almost any weather.
Depending on how far one goes with weight reduction these GTs will go well into the 11s with full bolt ons and into the 10s with heads and cams.
Oh there were a couple people on here that honestly thought it wouldn't get below low 12s on motor. Pretty dumb.
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ive said before i think the bolt on limit is 415-425 rwhp. nobody knows the stock cam specs. the cams really matter.

also head porting. is there room for more flow? well 37mm vales are not max. 39mm will fit great and not be as shrouded as a stock bore 4.6. theres more to be had, but who knows how much. i dont think theres 75rwhp to be had in heads/cams. the 302r/boss302 intake may change that. if the stock cams are small theres more there. if they are already fr500 duration there's not as much there. 230 - 240 degree @ .050 .475" lift cams are screamers. The ti-vct will allow the average car to use them without bad idle/ part throttle behavior. the coyote optimized for 7500 rpms can make a lot of power. 500rw? probably not. but we'll see i guess.

IMO.
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BTW most of you will not know that the cams on modular engines can be changed with only removal of the valve covers. there are tools to secure the chains. ive done it plenty of times on the 4.6 2v, and 5.4 3v. the coyote uses indexing dowels like 3v motors, so chaging them is a breeze. who cares about cost.
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Originally Posted by assasinator
BTW most of you will not know that the cams on modular engines can be changed with only removal of the valve covers. there are tools to secure the chains. ive done it plenty of times on the 4.6 2v, and 5.4 3v. the coyote uses indexing dowels like 3v motors, so chaging them is a breeze. who cares about cost.
That's a good point, while the cost of the cams themselves will definitely be more than say an LSx motor (4 cams versus only 1) the labor to install them will be a bit lower to offset at least some of it.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
That's a good point, while the cost of the cams themselves will definitely be more than say an LSx motor (4 cams versus only 1) the labor to install them will be a bit lower to offset at least some of it.
that only applies to people who dont do their own work.


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