ZV8

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Naming it a chevelle makes the most sense, since the ute is on the same platform as the commodore just like the old chevelle's were built on the same chassis as the El Camino's so if they wanted a even more legit nastalgic feeling they would name it Chevelle and bring in an El Camino name too! However I hope they make 2 door options but with a comfy adult sized back seat much more trunk space basicaly a better sedan to seperate it from a camaro with its limited trunk and back passenger space, and not take away sales from it. Really they need to make the camaro much lighter though cause the chevelle is suppose to be the heavy chevy not the camaro!

XxGarbSxX

The problem wasn't that the cars aren't good, or even that people don't want them. The problem is that their marketing sucks and there's very little exposure to their products outside of Transformers movies and the rare commercial for something that isn't a truck.

wannabess00

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Def agree!!! They never advertise anything beyond the Trucks

JD_AMG

Gimmick? How so? The GTO, G8 and Solstice have been the best all around cars that pontiac has ever seen. Previous pontiac sedans are nothing but a total joke compared to the G8.

They already do this... It doesn't seem to work to well either considering that making a sport version of those cars is like polishing a turd (compared to actual sporty RWD/AWD cars that is).
Chevy desperately needs a sporty RWD sedan that doesn't drive or handle like a boat.
Uh, they do...
The Camaro platform is a shrunken Zeta sedan chassis, and the Epsilon 2 is going to be use on 2012 cars (likely boring FWD cars)

Neither really failed. The GTO (Holden Monaro) was done with its production for that generation by '07, so ofcourse there would be no more GTO as well here. The main problem with the car was its name, "GTO" comes with big expectations, its not really fit for a luxury coupe that the Holden was. And the G8 sold pretty well, but Pontiacs fate was already sealed when it got here.
That would have been like throwing an extra anchor on an already sinking boat. The last thing GM needs is another cheaply engineered boring FWD sedan. The G8 was one of the best things that Pontiac could ask for.
Seriously which would you rather drive, a sleek performance sedan made for track performance and handling or a bloated nose heavy FWD car that understeers and torque steers everywhere?





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And as I mentioned above the name "GTO" just wasn't right for that car, too high of exceptions for the car. They should have named it the G8, and then when the Commodore got here they could have called it the G8 sedan.

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All I know is when they release this, I will buy one for my wife. Gm has no performance sedan at a competitive price. Cts-v is too expensive and the camaro is fugly and not a family car. My wife will be receiving one as soon as they hit the lots. Smart move gm, the g8 was an amazing car!!!

LS1LT1

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Agreed.

02ws666

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i wonder when this will happen? anyone have a guess?

justin455

Most likely a late 2012 model given the basic architecture is already there so they just need sheetmetal, but also that this is the first it's been published as more than just hearsay.

ArkBird96

Does anyone know if you can get it in an M6 version or will it just be the A6 like the new PPV?

mac62989

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^I would hope it would be like the GT and GXP G8's. A6 with an option of an M6 on limited edition models. They would lose alot of sales if it was only an A6 option I feel.

02ws666

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ugh. late 2012.. that blows. i bet they have em out by the end of 2011

RPM WS6

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Manual trans would/will be a small percentage of the sales, IMO.

RPM WS6

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I don't see much difference there. Actually the GP might look a little bit better to me. But that's just visual, quality of materials might be what you're getting at.

Irunelevens

But in a car like this, ignoring the fact that many people want a manual transmission would be exactly the kind of shortsightedness that got GM into this whole debacle in the first place.
In my opinion, the G8's interior (and GTO) exudes a higher quality than any car GM has made in the past 20-30 years short of a recent Cadillac. Whereas the GP has always looked like a rental car.

RPM WS6

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I'm not saying they should ignore anything. There SHOULD be a manual offering; I'm just saying that to assume the manual trans will be "a lot" of sales is not accurate. This car won't appeal to manual trans buyers in the way Camaro or Corvette does. Subjective to the overall sales volume, manuals will not be a big portion of the sales IMO.

I really don't see how anyone can look at those two pics and see any significant difference in "apparent" quality. Maybe the materials feel nicer, but just looking at both the only difference I see is a touch screen navi (which I hate anyway).

As for the GTO interior, it had very nice quality materials, but the design did not appeal to me visually.

mac62989

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^I feel that just like the G8 GXP a limited edition version of this vehicle would be good to appeal to the smaller percentage who want a manual performance sedan. You are correct originally I was thinking like an F-Body owner who generally would perfer an M6. Alot of moms will drive this car but their will be those who want a 400+ HP American sedan that isnt in the German cars price range.

TriShield

Pontiac was already a dead brand by the early 00s. Once the Firebird was killed and they started renaming all their cars G-this and G-that and selling nearly half of them to fleets the writing was on the wall.

The Holden Monaro (GTO) and Holden Commodore (G8) were colassal wastes of fantastic cars on a tarnished and flatlining brand that had no hope of selling them. The Solstice was completely out of character for Pontiac as well.

Holden exports their cars as Chevrolets to other parts of the world. Aussies even put "Chev" badges on their Holdens. Holden is basically the Chevrolet of Australia, but they cook up much better blue collar cars than we do.

TriShield

It's just getting a bowtie on the front like the Caprice.







They just have to put them on boats bound for the US.

Irunelevens

Take this as you will, but you seem like exactly the type of buyer that Pontiac was trying to cater to the last 10-15 years they were around; where other people see classic lines and good proportions, you see "bland." And of course there's the GP vs. G8 interior thing. Did you think the '05 GTO looked better than the '04 because of the hood scoops and dual exhaust?

justin455

^ agreed. Its just a G8 with a bowtie and no scoops.