V6 F150 creams the V8 competition
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At this point, I think keeping the Buick is a good idea, although I'm not really into them myself. Keeping Caddy is a no-brainer. Losing Olds was a bummer, but a good business decision. Losing Pontiac REALLY bummed me personally, but again, was a good decision for business. I'd rather have seen Buick leave, but there were stronger reasons to keep that and drop Pontiac.
Back to pickups... I'd REALLY like to see the GMC nameplate on all of them, but I know Chebby is engrained far too deeply for that. With that, dropping GMC, but keeping "Sierra" would be my choice. Oh well, a guy can dream...
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'spin fun... gotta walk the dog and call it a night...
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I like the 5.0 just fine, but for anyone not hauling regularly, the V6 is a viable option from what we've seen. Yes, it cost more. That said, the higher end models draw the price of the 3.5L down along the way... Good sales tactic. Seeing economy paying off the engine is a bonus, but the new 3.5L is really a good option... if it lasts.
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Talking about a difficult read. My opinion, not that it really matters, Awesome! A turbocharged truck from the factory that isn't diesel. It could be the start for a new Lightning or rival competition from GM or Dodge. Either way, the consumer is the winner or looser on this one. If you do not plan to buy it, why argue. Lets keep information about facts and not opinions. I'm not taking either side on this subject.
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As many others, torque IS the issue imo. The 3.7L will be okay on sales if hp is the only question. If real hauling power (ie torque) is a concern, that won't sell well for long. It may feel like it has more tq though... Thanks to the more modern automatics used today. For sales sake, I think they're gonna hope that's the case. On the other hand, GM still sells their low hp/tq 4.3L...
Talking about a difficult read. My opinion, not that it really matters, Awesome! A turbocharged truck from the factory that isn't diesel. It could be the start for a new Lightning or rival competition from GM or Dodge. Either way, the consumer is the winner or looser on this one. If you do not plan to buy it, why argue. Lets keep information about facts and not opinions. I'm not taking either side on this subject.
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Ya can't expect opinions to not be shared, good or bad. That's just part of the site as it always has been. This is a more subdued thread than some others, I'll say that. Then again, I tend to laugh at foolishness, particularly when it constantly comes from people who think everyone else is stupid.
Ford may offer another Lightning, but realisticaly, that would surely have the 5.0 in DI form or 6.2L in 4V form. The expectation there is, Ford will likely go DI in the Mustang before anything else. So if that happens, MAYBE a new Lightning would be in consideration. As is, they have the SVT Raptor... That's holding "Lightning" spot right now...
The turbo DI thing... THAT'S all what's important now... If this works well, you can bet GM will follow through on any plans to use it(and I think they have some). Dodge will be in there as well. I'd REALLY like to see a turbocharged DI HEMI!!!
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As many others, torque IS the issue imo. The 3.7L will be okay on sales if hp is the only question. If real hauling power (ie torque) is a concern, that won't sell well for long. It may feel like it has more tq though... Thanks to the more modern automatics used today. For sales sake, I think they're gonna hope that's the case. On the other hand, GM still sells their low hp/tq 4.3L...
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It kicks the **** out of all the other base V6's out there, and not everyone needs to pull a house behind their truck. I know lots of people with full size trucks and the most they have every pulled with it is a quad/snowmobile trailer, the V6 would be way more than enough for them. So for sales sake people that need torque will buy a 3.5/5.0/6.2, people looking for a cheap truck to haul light loads with will buy up that V6. I'm sure they won't have any problem selling it.
With that, I think price will be the only sales drawback of the 3.5L because the 5.0L is quite a bit less so far. In time, probably a few yrs, the price will either drop or remain stagnant and then more people may go with the V6 over the 5.0L because that engine price may well increase... Not taking into account any federal regulations... Those are likely to get more stringent too, if this V6 is very successful. That's the only downside to the 3.5L aside from cost, so far.
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I know fleet people will buy it, but how many places use them for towing? I can think of a lot of places that buy V6 base trucks in bulk that will never get hooked to a trailer, but none come to mind that will need more than what it offers. I would bet the 3.7 is going to be the best seller, just as the V6 Mustang/Camaro will out sell the V8 ones. You may need a truck to tow a lot, but 99% of people buying trucks will have more than enough power and torque with the V6.
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I know fleet people will buy it, but how many places use them for towing? I can think of a lot of places that buy V6 base trucks in bulk that will never get hooked to a trailer, but none come to mind that will need more than what it offers. I would bet the 3.7 is going to be the best seller, just as the V6 Mustang/Camaro will out sell the V8 ones. You may need a truck to tow a lot, but 99% of people buying trucks will have more than enough power and torque with the V6.
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Hey though... why would any 3/4 and 1tons sell if 99% of the buyers of pick ups didn't need towing capability a V6 really isn't ready for? Just curious... heh. The biggest complaint I've heard about 1/2 ton pickups for a long time, specifically the F-150, is lack of towing power with smaller engines. They say it feels weak under load, like it can hardly take off... and that's the 2V 4.6!