Irunelevens

I know what you were trying to say, but I don't see the point in bringing up the Mustang GT when the topic is the GT500. Yes the GT got a big power increase... and?

01formula6

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I brought up the GT because it got a huge bump in power, same as the 5th gen Camaro having much more power than the 4th gen. While this is not the specific topic, I'm using this comparison to state that most Mustang guys seem to be very happy about the motor and car in general. Yet all I hear about from GM guys is bitching about how the Camaro is too heavy, not any faster than a 4th gen, etc. Then the ZL1 is announced and GM guys are relatively happy for a month, then resume their complaining when this GT500 news is released. Yet Mustang guys seemed fine with the GT500 all along and weren't complaining when the ZL1 was announced.

It's just irritating to see so many people bitch about everything GM does (not you). I have no affiliation or ties to them at all, other than owning my Pontiac. Sure they have made tons of mistakes, but no matter what they do, people find something to complain about. I was simply trying to read about the changes to the GT500 and had to wade through garbage about how GM **** the bed and should have used the LSA. Same story with many other threads on the SS, ZL1, Boss, GT, GT500. Bottom line, maybe I should start visiting more Mustang sites for my car news

deft

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I know why (of recent) mustang guys have been happier, and GM guys have been complaining. It's because recently mustangs have been faster.

Also kinda sucks that GM told us they will make a car that was designed to compete with the 2011 gt500 available now.....but we can't get it until early 2012.

Either GM is doing something awesome and unexpected or they are being very short sighted.

*disclaimer* my last car was a 2010 ss, and I loved it

Darksol

So when is the next gen Camaro coming out again? You know the hopefully slightly smaller and lighter next gen model.

ramairroughneck

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I am surprised Ford doesnt have a supercharged varient of the new 5.0. Would be nice to see what it could do. Looks like they found enough horsepower to keep the Ford faithful happy though.

It'llrun

The top version Shelby GT350 (put together at Shelby, with the owner supplied new 5L car) puts out 624hp(somethin' like that)... It's been clocked at 12.0 on the 1/4 mile, around 123mph. I'd expect something like that from the next GT500. It's a bit confusing to know the 5L is there now, but Ford will get the 5.4L (or 5.8L) there in awhile... More weight, a bit less power... not makin' sense. I can only guess they want solid reliability and think the 5L may be the wrong answer when compared to the larger engine. Maybe it's the economy... idonno.

GMmexican

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So dissapointed with the new pony cars, especially with GM. When all is lost at least we can say we still have this demon from hell.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MaUe...layer_embedded

mustangman65_79

Long time no post here.

Just wanted to update your thread.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...harged-v8.html

DiscerningZ32

That's just a rumor right now, and an old one at that.
It came out right after Ford denied rumors of a turbocharged GT500.

It'llrun

That's the 1st I've heard of an actual hp. I'll leave it at that for a moment.

jmurray87

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I personally can't see Ford switching to a Turbo setup over the Supercharger that they have long been running.

DiscerningZ32

It's a rumor from FordinsideNews.

I'm not saying it won't turn out to be true, but it wouldn't be the first time they were wrong.
Ford already debunked their rumors about the next GT500 being turbocharged.

It'llrun

I'll go on record saying I won't be at all surprised to see a turbo at this point. Twin turbo, actually. They've used a supercharger on SVT Mustangs since 2003, but that's no big deal. I can't see Ford bumping a S/C'd engine to 630hp or more... unless they go with the 5.8L and even then it's a questionable build simply because they've got to warranty the thing.

DiscerningZ32

Ford has already said there will be no turbocharged GT500:

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/08/f...-shelby-gt500/

650hp from a blown 5.4l or 5.8l is unlikely in a Ford warrantied package.
That's why I say this is just another rumor.

Only time will tell though and it would be good for the horsepower war.

It'llrun

Yep, Ford said... They also said the SVO program was closed, only to re-open it as SVT, then FRPP. They said the SHO was a thing of the past, but it's on showroom floors again. They said the V6 FS-pickup couldn't sell well enough, but today, the V6 accounts for about 40-45% of full size sales. You get the point. They purposely lie at times and at other times, new technology changes their mind.

A blown 5.8L could very easily produce 650hp and survive, the way Ford builds GT500's. That's not the problem. The problem is that people WILL modify it anyway and then want that warranteed too, which it will be, in most cases.

The only downside to using a twin turbocharger over a supercharger is cost. Unless less power is the goal...

88blackgt

I'd love to see a turbo GT500 and with emissions and mileage standards going the way they are I could say it happening but I'm not holding my breath for it to be in the next MY.

Who knows, people said the Ecoboost wouldnt sell in the F-series and look how that turned out.

1QWIKZ

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IF Ford does go turbo...they just put the nail on the ZL1's coffin.

redbadss

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it don't think they'll jump so big in the horsepower wars... camaro v6 "rerated" their v6 to 312hp just to have that bragging right of more power over the v6 camaro. the gt500 might get a slightly better tune with some sticker or wider tires to claim #1 over the ZL1 momentarily, then the ZL1 will put a 1/16 of an inch smaller pulley with a slightly more aggressive tune, or potentially a suspension package similar to the one GT500 currently has and claim #1 over the GT500. (not a prediction, just trying to emphasize my point on slowly changing things and not do anything drastic)

both the mustang and the camaro are due for style change anyways, the newer car is always gonna be promoted as the 'better' car.

It'llrun

I figure the Mustang will be redone in 2014 or 2015, but the GT500 is a "Cobra" package and those haven't always waited around for the next model.

That hp jump doesn't seem unrealistic to me. The 2001 Cobra was rated at what, 320? the 2003 came out at 390. That's a BIG jump and in reality, it was a much bigger jump. Dyno tests would be about 100rwhp different. That change... was DRASTIC! In 2007, the came out with the GT500, upping power from a previous best of 325 or so... 500?? Drastic. They ain't scared. Who needs it though, really... tire cookin' ain't my thing.

This "war" is nothing like the V6 nonsense. GM re-rated the V6 Camaro to claim a win and we all know the Mustang V6 still beats it in any performance category short of top speed(because it's limited). This is "TOP DOG" stuff and it's been "Go big or go home" for over 40yrs now. Most of those years, they went home, btw.

nanokpsi

The 2013 GT500 will have the 5.8l mill and a version of the 2.3L TVS blower. Ford already puts a warranty on the "660 hp power pack" for the current GT500s, which is basically just a TVS blower and a Ford Pro-Cal tune. The larger motor would allow them to actually slow down the supercharger, and run less boost in order to reach their power numbers, which would also benefit fuel mileage (less parasitic loss). Look for other Chassis and suspesnion tweaks as well, as it will be the send off for the Retro s197 styling, and probably the retro name as well.

The GT500 name is most likley gone in 2014, but there will be several turbocharged motors, as the car will be sold globally. Traditionally, the newest motors and the "Cobra" model are not available the first year of a redesign, but the 50th anniversary of the pony car will likely be an exception to this rule. There have been turbo Coyote motors in testing for years, and they can reach the power goals very easily. I just don't know if we enthusiasts are that lucky.