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06-28-2011, 12:13 PM
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I figure the Mustang will be redone in 2014 or 2015, but the GT500 is a "Cobra" package and those haven't always waited around for the next model.
That hp jump doesn't seem unrealistic to me. The 2001 Cobra was rated at what, 320? the 2003 came out at 390. That's a BIG jump and in reality, it was a much bigger jump. Dyno tests would be about 100rwhp different. That change... was DRASTIC!
In 2007, the came out with the GT500, upping power from a previous best of 325 or so... 500?? Drastic. They ain't scared. Who needs it though, really... tire cookin' ain't my thing.
This "war" is nothing like the V6 nonsense. GM re-rated the V6 Camaro to claim a win and we all know the Mustang V6 still beats it in any performance category short of top speed(because it's limited). This is "TOP DOG" stuff and it's been "Go big or go home" for over 40yrs now. Most of those years, they went home, btw.
That hp jump doesn't seem unrealistic to me. The 2001 Cobra was rated at what, 320? the 2003 came out at 390. That's a BIG jump and in reality, it was a much bigger jump. Dyno tests would be about 100rwhp different. That change... was DRASTIC!
In 2007, the came out with the GT500, upping power from a previous best of 325 or so... 500?? Drastic. They ain't scared. Who needs it though, really... tire cookin' ain't my thing.This "war" is nothing like the V6 nonsense. GM re-rated the V6 Camaro to claim a win and we all know the Mustang V6 still beats it in any performance category short of top speed(because it's limited). This is "TOP DOG" stuff and it's been "Go big or go home" for over 40yrs now. Most of those years, they went home, btw.
I believe you accidently made a typo. In 03 it was 420hp not 325hp and the jump in 07 went to 500hp. So thats a increase of 80hp. Also the 03/04 was a 4.6 supercharged while the 07 became a 5.4 supercharged so i can understand that jump in power also.
06-28-2011, 01:56 PM
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I agree somewhat with what you are saying. 01 was 320 and the 03 was rated at 390 but it really made 420. Your right that is a drastic jump but MAINLY because of a supercharger being added to the 03 which wasn't on the 01. I believe thats why it was such a drastic increase from the 01 to 03. They weren't going to put a supercharger on the 03 and give it only 40 or 50 more HP compared to the 01 that wasn't supercharged and sell it for alot more than the 01. I expect that type of HP jump which is around 100hp due to price increase and with the addition of a supercharger. They had to give it a nice bump in HP over the non-supercharged 01 for the price, otherwise ppl would've just bought the 01 for much cheaper and put a supercharger on it if the 03 was only like a 50 or 60HP increase over the 01. So I understand that big HP jump from 01 to 03.
I believe you accidently made a typo. In 03 it was 420hp not 325hp and the jump in 07 went to 500hp. So thats a increase of 80hp. Also the 03/04 was a 4.6 supercharged while the 07 became a 5.4 supercharged so i can understand that jump in power also.
I believe you accidently made a typo. In 03 it was 420hp not 325hp and the jump in 07 went to 500hp. So thats a increase of 80hp. Also the 03/04 was a 4.6 supercharged while the 07 became a 5.4 supercharged so i can understand that jump in power also.
With the bigger S/C(as used on the upcoming ZL1 and so forth), I don't think 660 is out of the question on a bigger 4v. It's a hundred plus over the current rendition, but the larger displacement, coupled with the better S/C(or turbo) could do it, particularly if it still spins high rpm. I think 620 is still a solid rating myself.
On the name: Don't really care which they use, but Cobra still sounds better to me and at the same time, GT500 is that long time Mustang name from way back and other than taking too long to say, is just as good. Maybe they'll call it "GT600" or "GT650" instead of either the old names.
06-30-2011, 10:16 AM
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I was having the same thought about the use of engine .The technology they use on the new 5.0 can be used on the Coyote block.
06-30-2011, 10:24 AM
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I agree somewhat with what you are saying. 01 was 320 and the 03 was rated at 390 but it really made 420. Your right that is a drastic jump but MAINLY because of a supercharger being added to the 03 which wasn't on the 01. I believe thats why it was such a drastic increase from the 01 to 03. They weren't going to put a supercharger on the 03 and give it only 40 or 50 more HP compared to the 01 that wasn't supercharged and sell it for alot more than the 01. I expect that type of HP jump which is around 100hp due to price increase and with the addition of a supercharger. They had to give it a nice bump in HP over the non-supercharged 01 for the price, otherwise ppl would've just bought the 01 for much cheaper and put a supercharger on it if the 03 was only like a 50 or 60HP increase over the 01. So I understand that big HP jump from 01 to 03.
I believe you accidently made a typo. In 03 it was 420hp not 325hp and the jump in 07 went to 500hp. So thats a increase of 80hp. Also the 03/04 was a 4.6 supercharged while the 07 became a 5.4 supercharged so i can understand that jump in power also.
I believe you accidently made a typo. In 03 it was 420hp not 325hp and the jump in 07 went to 500hp. So thats a increase of 80hp. Also the 03/04 was a 4.6 supercharged while the 07 became a 5.4 supercharged so i can understand that jump in power also.
The '03 /'04 has forged internals and supporting equipment for the supercharger , stronger axles etc. The cost increase would have to be expected due to that alone. The mustang GT went from 315 rated hp in '10 to 412 for the '11 models with a new engine / drivetrain , so i think a 600 hp +rating increase for the GT500 is not hard to believe. JMO.
07-01-2011, 04:58 PM
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They may have just wanted to start with the larger engine, proven already to be well able to handle the big power and torque. Not that the new 5L can't, but Ford's had over a decade to test the 5.4L in various forms. I still think the 6.2L with 4V heads would be great.
No matter... I ain't buyin' one.
07-01-2011, 10:20 PM
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imo both sides have to use FI. the next gen LS-5.5DI will have it also. it will have DI, and be more boost friendly with higher compression.
fuel economy and emissions will require turbocharging for everyone. smaller motors with more boost. just like 1984-1988. power levels we cant imagine if the OEM's choose to.
everyone will have to get over the V6 stigma at some point. does anyone think GM and ford cannot replicate Godzilla's power? i know i can. they can too.
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fuel economy and emissions will require turbocharging for everyone. smaller motors with more boost. just like 1984-1988. power levels we cant imagine if the OEM's choose to.
everyone will have to get over the V6 stigma at some point. does anyone think GM and ford cannot replicate Godzilla's power? i know i can. they can too.
IMO
07-01-2011, 10:53 PM
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At this rate by year 2020 GM and Ford will be running 900 hp car comparisons.... lol Really?! I mean we already have a twin turbo corvette that gets 30+ mpg and has 700 hp.
07-02-2011, 09:12 AM
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I'm kinda hoping they can stay at least close to where they are now. Back in the 60's, the hp wars were pushing limits everywhere... Then stepped in the fed and ruined it for ALL of us for about the next 15yrs and even then, getting any kind of power basically required the aftermarket. Today we can get a car so "stupid powerful" it's like an honest to goodness weekend only race car from the early 90's. Where cars are concerned, we're in good times and my hope is that same fed doesn't ruin it all over again.
07-06-2011, 12:30 AM
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http://www.vidbb.com/vbtube_show.php...T-dyno-video-1
The 2013 GT500 will have the 5.8l mill and a version of the 2.3L TVS blower. Ford already puts a warranty on the "660 hp power pack" for the current GT500s, which is basically just a TVS blower and a Ford Pro-Cal tune. The larger motor would allow them to actually slow down the supercharger, and run less boost in order to reach their power numbers, which would also benefit fuel mileage (less parasitic loss). Look for other Chassis and suspesnion tweaks as well, as it will be the send off for the Retro s197 styling, and probably the retro name as well.
The GT500 name is most likley gone in 2014, but there will be several turbocharged motors, as the car will be sold globally. Traditionally, the newest motors and the "Cobra" model are not available the first year of a redesign, but the 50th anniversary of the pony car will likely be an exception to this rule. There have been turbo Coyote motors in testing for years, and they can reach the power goals very easily. I just don't know if we enthusiasts are that lucky.
The GT500 name is most likley gone in 2014, but there will be several turbocharged motors, as the car will be sold globally. Traditionally, the newest motors and the "Cobra" model are not available the first year of a redesign, but the 50th anniversary of the pony car will likely be an exception to this rule. There have been turbo Coyote motors in testing for years, and they can reach the power goals very easily. I just don't know if we enthusiasts are that lucky.
When you take a larger bore blower and don't spin it adequately power under the curve and torque suffer. A 1.9L TVS is probably what we will see, possibly with a 2.3L TVS FRPP available package.
07-06-2011, 12:55 AM
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The 2.3L has been talked about for awhile now, and with good reason. Others are already using it(GM) and the 5L or any modular based engine could spin it, considering they rev to 7k easily enough. It's been used on many older Mustangs for years now, so it seems reasonable that Ford would use it themselves and get better power with lower boost and just let it spin.
Hasn't FRPP been offering the 2.3L for years already anyway?
Hasn't FRPP been offering the 2.3L for years already anyway?
07-06-2011, 10:47 PM
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The 2.3L has been talked about for awhile now, and with good reason. Others are already using it(GM) and the 5L or any modular based engine could spin it, considering they rev to 7k easily enough. It's been used on many older Mustangs for years now, so it seems reasonable that Ford would use it themselves and get better power with lower boost and just let it spin.
Hasn't FRPP been offering the 2.3L for years already anyway?
Hasn't FRPP been offering the 2.3L for years already anyway?
07-08-2011, 09:22 PM
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70s flashback anyone?
07-09-2011, 03:14 AM
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With all the go green BULLSHIT I honestly don't see the horsepower race lasting much longer, but we are getting some awesome cars right now!
07-09-2011, 04:21 AM
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i agree these cars need to lose some weight before anything lol,gm is getting there *** kicked right now,and i dont see why 1.make camaro alot lighter 2.install ls9 3.install a ls9 lol, they need to go back to the drawing board with the camaro,
Less weight wouldn't save the Camaro for me, that thing is ugly inside and out IMO. 