Official ZL1 Power Figure and Other Details Released
09-12-2011, 08:49 PM
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is that PDK considered an auto?
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...=PMTBoxsterAll
or is it this?
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...lectedVariant=
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...=PMTBoxsterAll
or is it this?
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...lectedVariant=
09-12-2011, 09:00 PM
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like the Nissan does, if I nail it the rear tires simply go up in smoke. 
While certainly not requiring as much skill as a traditional manual/clutch, I do still have to drive my cars to extract the most out of them.
09-12-2011, 09:28 PM
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is that PDK considered an auto?
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...=PMTBoxsterAll
or is it this?
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...lectedVariant=
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...=PMTBoxsterAll
or is it this?
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/tec...lectedVariant=
My automatics don't use launch control or super high tech slip angle electronic differential GPS algorithms like the Nissan does, if I nail it the rear tires simply go up in smoke.
While certainly not requiring as much skill as a traditional manual/clutch, I do still have to drive my cars to extract the most out of them.
like the Nissan does, if I nail it the rear tires simply go up in smoke. While certainly not requiring as much skill as a traditional manual/clutch, I do still have to drive my cars to extract the most out of them.
But your car does have traction control and stability control you could use if you wanted to. So while not the same, it is similar.
09-12-2011, 10:35 PM
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09-12-2011, 10:36 PM
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I don't know if they will ever offer the GT500 as an automatic... they are really focusing on making it a track machine (the kind with turns), and an automatic not only lets even more "posers" on the bandwagon, but the image would be tarnished as well. Do you think the C6Z should be offered with an automatic?
The C6ZR1 is so utterly different than the GT500, I can't beg a way to compare the two. It's a true sports car and it would still be really cool to see it with an auto, but it's so far from that kind of vehicle, it would shock me if GM went there.
GM is evidently doing things right with the ZL1 and that's going to help their business. The only concern I have is that GM may also be taking a real hit on sales in terms of earning a profit. Seems the ZL1 will be kinda like the ZR1 in that sense... All good except the earnings per car.
09-13-2011, 05:47 AM
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The PDK, no. The Tiptronic, sure. But if you paid attention to what I said, you would know what cars I was talking about. Which don't offer the Tiptronic. Here, read it again.
Definitely wasn't talking about your car.
But your car does have traction control and stability control you could use if you wanted to. So while not the same, it is similar.
Definitely wasn't talking about your car.
But your car does have traction control and stability control you could use if you wanted to. So while not the same, it is similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron
09-13-2011, 05:49 AM
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I think they will offer the GT500 with an auto, simply because the ZL1 will offer it and they wanna keep up in a straight line.
The C6ZR1 is so utterly different than the GT500, I can't beg a way to compare the two. It's a true sports car and it would still be really cool to see it with an auto, but it's so far from that kind of vehicle, it would shock me if GM went there.
GM is evidently doing things right with the ZL1 and that's going to help their business. The only concern I have is that GM may also be taking a real hit on sales in terms of earning a profit. Seems the ZL1 will be kinda like the ZR1 in that sense... All good except the earnings per car.
The C6ZR1 is so utterly different than the GT500, I can't beg a way to compare the two. It's a true sports car and it would still be really cool to see it with an auto, but it's so far from that kind of vehicle, it would shock me if GM went there.
GM is evidently doing things right with the ZL1 and that's going to help their business. The only concern I have is that GM may also be taking a real hit on sales in terms of earning a profit. Seems the ZL1 will be kinda like the ZR1 in that sense... All good except the earnings per car.
09-13-2011, 10:51 AM
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09-13-2011, 10:57 AM
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You and that retarded smile face you put before your posts really aren't this thick-headed in real life, are you? I was talking specifically about Porsche, since you asked about them. THEIR high end performance versions were manual-only until the PDK came out. So while you can buy an automatic Porsche, the track-oriented models were never offered as actual automatics. That transmission was used in the more pedestrian models. Do you understand what I am talking about now?
The only Porsches that never got an auto were the GT's and GT RS'.
If that's what you meant, then nevermind.
09-13-2011, 11:10 AM
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And there are lots of car companies where they either have models or trim levels that are manual only. Chevrolet does it with the Corvette Z06 and ZR1. Dodge did it with the Viper. You could buy an MAX automatic, but only with the lower-performance engine. You could buy an Integra automatic, but not a GS-R or Type R. S2000 was only available as a manual as well. So there is definitely a precedent for what I am talking about.
09-13-2011, 12:14 PM
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And there are lots of car companies where they either have models or trim levels that are manual only. Chevrolet does it with the Corvette Z06 and ZR1. Dodge did it with the Viper. You could buy an MAX automatic, but only with the lower-performance engine. You could buy an Integra automatic, but not a GS-R or Type R. S2000 was only available as a manual as well. So there is definitely a precedent for what I am talking about.
But it is what it is, those cars were manual only regardless of the reason.
09-13-2011, 12:25 PM
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I dont know why people are complaining about the auto option either, it's great for drag racing. Also (in theory) it should keep prices down somewhat too because they will sell way more automatics than manuals I bet, and a larger number of ZL1's overall with both tranny options.
Also,
Chances are this will be probably the best handling camaro of all time as well, for those concerned about the weight.
Also,
Chances are this will be probably the best handling camaro of all time as well, for those concerned about the weight.
09-13-2011, 12:34 PM
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Very true, but often that was done more out of design necessity (higher RPM/redline levels, torque capacity/ratings, weight/space/fitment limitations, road racing orientation etc.) than for the 'manuals are just more cool' spiritual aspects/reasons.
But it is what it is, those cars were manual only regardless of the reason.
But it is what it is, those cars were manual only regardless of the reason.