Camaro Chief Engineer says "You're Welcome" to Ford Mustang fans
11-24-2011, 04:04 PM
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Those are not reasons that the car would go up in price considerably. It's just a bigger version of the motor that has been in the car for the past six years. And a different blower doesn't necessarily mean more expensive. The '11 GT wasn't considerably more than the '10, and it received an ENTIRELY new engine and transmission.
you can reasonably expect this car to base over 50k.
11-24-2011, 04:36 PM
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It's not like they are adding very many parts, just improving or upgrading. I can see $50k, sure...but $60k? That's wishful thinking for people that are trying to find reasons not to like it.
11-24-2011, 04:43 PM
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11-24-2011, 05:02 PM
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From the LA Auto show ZL1 hardtop = $54k ZL1 Convert about $3k more + what ever the dealer adds $60k is the low price partner.
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11-24-2011, 10:01 PM
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Not just the amount of parts they're having to add, but the amount of research to go into parts to hold the extra power.. Not to mention all the extra warranty claim's I'm sure they will see with this added power.. I'd say at least a 8-10k increase on price.. That being said, both these cars are making ridiculous power off the showroom.. It's getting hard for me to compete anymore with my 98 model camaro. lol
11-24-2011, 10:05 PM
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Dude, do you have any idea the amount of power that the stock engine/drivetrain has been able to handle since the GT500 was released? This isn't an F-body (no offense intended).
12-01-2011, 04:25 PM
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Obviousl;y it will be priced on par with the ZL1. I would think the base to be slightly under the ZL1s price, but the Performance pack and track pack prices to make it climb closer to 60k.
12-01-2011, 07:08 PM
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I don't think I'm supposed to link them but SVTP's homepage has videos at the auto show w/ an engineer talking about whats new w/ the 5.8, other differences on the GT500, and a specific video on why they chose to stick w/ the same tire size.
The increase in displacement is all bore and came from the use of their new spray cylinder lining. Seems like a pretty awesome cost efficient way to increase displacement; same block and such just their new spray on lining as opposed to sleeves. Compression is also up IIRC.
I'm still not a fan of the tire size, but their reasoning was to preserve handling/driver feel. They found/thought that increasing the tire sizes induced understeer. The goal was a more "balanced" approach that would have wider appeal.
The increase in displacement is all bore and came from the use of their new spray cylinder lining. Seems like a pretty awesome cost efficient way to increase displacement; same block and such just their new spray on lining as opposed to sleeves. Compression is also up IIRC.
I'm still not a fan of the tire size, but their reasoning was to preserve handling/driver feel. They found/thought that increasing the tire sizes induced understeer. The goal was a more "balanced" approach that would have wider appeal.
12-01-2011, 07:38 PM
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Sounds like a lame excuse, the car is running 255/285 f/r tires, thats narrow as hell for a heavy performance car (and im not just talking about the rear). They should increase both front and rear to keep the balance, something like 285 front, 315 rear ,that's not unreasonable at all. Check out what its competition is running...
12-02-2011, 04:24 PM
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Ford 6.2 = 4.015 bore x 3.74 stroke
Ford 5.4 = 3.552 bore x 4.165 stroke
Ford 5.8 = 3.68 bore x 4.165 stroke, if I had to guess (rough estimate).
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12-03-2011, 09:40 AM
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Nice looking car for sure...finally. The 5th gens look like dog **** to me, but this is a huge step up.
Nothing can save that interior though. WTF were they thinking, it is garbage!!! Some Alcantera and stitching isn't even to improve the terrible design.
Nothing can save that interior though. WTF were they thinking, it is garbage!!! Some Alcantera and stitching isn't even to improve the terrible design.
12-05-2011, 12:24 PM
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SVT chief: The Boss 302 was the motivation for the 2013 Shelby GT500, not the Camaro ZL1
The announcement of the 2013 Shelby GT500 at the L.A. Auto Show caused various reactions throughout the automotive community. Mustang fans, of course, were ecstatic to see a production Mustang with 650 horsepower capable of 200 mph. Others, like Al Oppenheiser, the chief engineer of the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, had a different perspective. After the Shelby’s debut, Oppenheiser wrote a letter to the Camaro Nation claiming that the “2013 GT500 will still not match the technology and sophistication of the 2012 Camaro ZL1.” He took it another step further, saying “for Mustang fans, you’re welcome. Clearly the Camaro has encouraged Ford to throw everything they can at us.”
That’s not the case, according to Jamal Hameedi, the SVT chief nameplate engineer. At the L.A. Auto Show Hameedi informed us that the increased performance of the 2013 GT500 was not inspired by the Camaro ZL1 but rather to stay a step ahead of the Mustang Boss 302. When we asked whether the Camaro ZL1 influenced the development of the 2013 GT500, he quickly responded by saying “surprisingly not because when we launched this program it was in the darkest days of the automotive industry. Everyone had said the ZL1 program was canceled. So actually when we kicked this program off the ZL1 was canceled at the time.” Rather, Hameedi informed us that SVT realized that additional performance was required of the GT500 during Ford’s development and testing of the Boss 302. “We wanted to make a big step in performance,” he told us. “We didn’t just want to just make a marginal step.”
This isn’t too surprising, considering the Boss 302′s straight line performance is fairly close to that of the 2012 Shelby GT500. Motor Trend achieved a 0-60 mph time of 4.0 seconds flat in a Boss 302, a nearly identical time to what a GT500 is capable of producing, and a stock Boss 302 has produced 1/4 mile times well into the 11s with just a set of drag radials.
http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/1...he-camaro-zl1/
The announcement of the 2013 Shelby GT500 at the L.A. Auto Show caused various reactions throughout the automotive community. Mustang fans, of course, were ecstatic to see a production Mustang with 650 horsepower capable of 200 mph. Others, like Al Oppenheiser, the chief engineer of the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1, had a different perspective. After the Shelby’s debut, Oppenheiser wrote a letter to the Camaro Nation claiming that the “2013 GT500 will still not match the technology and sophistication of the 2012 Camaro ZL1.” He took it another step further, saying “for Mustang fans, you’re welcome. Clearly the Camaro has encouraged Ford to throw everything they can at us.”
That’s not the case, according to Jamal Hameedi, the SVT chief nameplate engineer. At the L.A. Auto Show Hameedi informed us that the increased performance of the 2013 GT500 was not inspired by the Camaro ZL1 but rather to stay a step ahead of the Mustang Boss 302. When we asked whether the Camaro ZL1 influenced the development of the 2013 GT500, he quickly responded by saying “surprisingly not because when we launched this program it was in the darkest days of the automotive industry. Everyone had said the ZL1 program was canceled. So actually when we kicked this program off the ZL1 was canceled at the time.” Rather, Hameedi informed us that SVT realized that additional performance was required of the GT500 during Ford’s development and testing of the Boss 302. “We wanted to make a big step in performance,” he told us. “We didn’t just want to just make a marginal step.”
This isn’t too surprising, considering the Boss 302′s straight line performance is fairly close to that of the 2012 Shelby GT500. Motor Trend achieved a 0-60 mph time of 4.0 seconds flat in a Boss 302, a nearly identical time to what a GT500 is capable of producing, and a stock Boss 302 has produced 1/4 mile times well into the 11s with just a set of drag radials.
http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/1...he-camaro-zl1/
12-06-2011, 06:18 AM
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I thought it was funny when the hp ratings came out for the GT500 all the Ford fan boys came out of nowhere. ZL1 what?? etc.... Yea well it hasn't even hit the strip yet or the ring so? But its true since the 5th gen Camaro came out Ford has been making dramatic changes to the Mustang. What does that say..... Just like back in 1998. What happen to the 1999 Mustang? Didn't Ford make some huge changes? Along with the 1994 Mustang? What caused that? The 1993 LT1 Camaro... Ford fan boys been saying GM is catching up with Ford when actually its the other way around! Can't deny true facts. Until the GT500 gets a better time then the ZL1 in the ring you can't say anything negative about its performance!
IMO ZL1 > GT500
IMO ZL1 > GT500
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12-13-2011, 02:03 PM
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