Revealed - Toyota FT-86 (Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ in the US) RWD sports car
11-29-2011, 11:40 AM
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The blue Subaru version above looks much better than the Toyota.
LOL @ LF-A being on par with an Aventador. I've seen a few of both in person, there is no comparison there. Aventador >>>>> LFA. Most people walk by an LF-A thinking it is a 20-year old Supra with a body kit.
LOL @ LF-A being on par with an Aventador. I've seen a few of both in person, there is no comparison there. Aventador >>>>> LFA. Most people walk by an LF-A thinking it is a 20-year old Supra with a body kit.
11-29-2011, 12:26 PM
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It's not even going to run 13s is the problem. The even bigger problem is that it's a high compression N/A motor, so making more power out of it once you get sick of getting beat by four-door family cars is going to be very pricey.
11-29-2011, 12:34 PM
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That's a pointless parallel to draw, because we are talking about two COMPLETELY different cars. I think some of you people just like to bitch about everything; we're talking about a car that weighs the same as a Mini Cooper S (which everybody can agree is a fun car), but has basically 40hp more, and is RWD. With the largest emphasis placed on light weight and handling, which so many of you pretend to care about. And it's even rumored to start at a great price. But it doesn't run 12s, so it sucks. 
If this thing was going to come with the STI's turbo 2.5, I would probably be trying to track down ordering timeline and pricing.
11-29-2011, 03:40 PM
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The Miata still sales between 10-15k models a year in the U.S. so something tells me this thing will sell about 30k+ between the two different models offered here. That's enough to be considered successful in this segment especially when you consider how many boring cars they sell to retards elsewhere. I would personally drive the hell out of the Subaru, but honestly it either needs a little boost or rev to almost 8000rpm. So far neither looks to be happening.
11-29-2011, 04:13 PM
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The Miata still sales between 10-15k models a year in the U.S. so something tells me this thing will sell about 30k+ between the two different models offered here. That's enough to be considered successful in this segment especially when you consider how many boring cars they sell to retards elsewhere. I would personally drive the hell out of the Subaru, but honestly it either needs a little boost or rev to almost 8000rpm. So far neither looks to be happening.
11-29-2011, 04:23 PM
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Huh? The Miata is also one of (if not the) cheapest convertible on the market, and it has a HUGE following, so I doubt this will sell anywhere near twice as many. Not only that, but we still haven't been given a price on this car. With all the features it has I'm guessing it will start around $30k, I don't see it selling well at that price. If they can keep the price at or under $20k I could see it selling well, but there's no way that's going to happen.
11-29-2011, 04:32 PM
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Huh? The Miata is also one of (if not the) cheapest convertible on the market, and it has a HUGE following, so I doubt this will sell anywhere near twice as many. Not only that, but we still haven't been given a price on this car. With all the features it has I'm guessing it will start around $30k, I don't see it selling well at that price. If they can keep the price at or under $20k I could see it selling well, but there's no way that's going to happen.
11-29-2011, 05:42 PM
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After all, even a bare bones Scion TC starts at $19,305 (pre-shipped, etc.).
And that car is completely run-of-the-mill but with "unique" styling.
11-29-2011, 05:46 PM
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11-29-2011, 06:20 PM
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That styling is pretty terrible, I had higher hopes for this car. We needed some import to help introduce the ricer youths to RWD performance, so that they'd eventually get it and buy a V8 RWD car later. Toyota designers should just go jump off a cliff, they fail continuously. Even their halo car the Lexus LF-A looks 10 years behind the times.
The 370Z looks better and more masculine than this car. Hopefully the Subaru version looks less comic-book looking.
The 370Z looks better and more masculine than this car. Hopefully the Subaru version looks less comic-book looking.
Of course this is meant for handling and not drag racing, but that doesn't mean they had to make it slower than a freakin' Camry. IDK how anyone can even try to defend the 197hp in 2011, maybe in 1999 197hp would be fine for a car of this weight but not today. The 2600lb isn't even confirmed yet, is it? STI version is not going to have a turbo, that has already been confirmed; so it's just a no-*****, no-turbo, and over-priced car.
11-29-2011, 11:17 PM
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True.
And not everyone wants a "supposed" performance car that's desperately weak when it comes to straight line performance either.
Good handling/braking and strong acceleration don't have to be mutually exclusive either, even in the $20k-$30k price range.
Oh, yeah, 500 times more even.
Exaggerate much?
Especially considering that the freakin' thing isn't even out yet. 
And not everyone wants a "supposed" performance car that's desperately weak when it comes to straight line performance either.
Good handling/braking and strong acceleration don't have to be mutually exclusive either, even in the $20k-$30k price range.
Exaggerate much?
Especially considering that the freakin' thing isn't even out yet.
11-29-2011, 11:18 PM
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Think of it as a better-handling, RWD Civic Si alternative. Or a slightly slower, WAY lighter, better-handling alternative to the V6 pony cars. Some people will trade a little straight line speed for a connected, nimble, responsive chassis.
11-29-2011, 11:25 PM
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