Revealed - Toyota FT-86 (Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ in the US) RWD sports car
12-01-2011, 09:33 AM
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The Scion and Subie are both 2+2s, not to mention have a much lower roof line. I am too staright to sit in a Miata, so I am assuming my 6'3", 225lb frame will not fit very well.
12-01-2011, 09:57 AM
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Jalopnik summed up this car nicely.
The GT 86/FR-S/Subaru BRZ has us more excited than pretty much almost any car of the last decade. Unlike heavier, more powerful coupes, this 197 HP, 2,689 Lbs 2+2 appears to be the most pure driver's car on sale this side of a Lotus Elise. It should be cheap too; we're hoping for mid-$20s.
What's so hard to understand about this? Especially for a forum full of people who regularly complain about curb weight.
The GT 86/FR-S/Subaru BRZ has us more excited than pretty much almost any car of the last decade. Unlike heavier, more powerful coupes, this 197 HP, 2,689 Lbs 2+2 appears to be the most pure driver's car on sale this side of a Lotus Elise. It should be cheap too; we're hoping for mid-$20s.
What's so hard to understand about this? Especially for a forum full of people who regularly complain about curb weight.
Remember your audience is predominately made up of drag racers and street racers who like to go fast, not road racers and auto-xers that are much more concerned about vehicle balance and handling.
As far as comparisons to the civic SI, that car was also a turd that has a hard time out pacing a camry. Looking at this, it seems the 2012 V6 Camry will actually be faster than both from 0-60 and the 1/4 mile. (5.8 and 14.1 @ 101mph)
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
Think about that for a second. They developed a "sports car" that is slower than their very own large family sedan, which is widely viewed as boring and appliance like.
Mazda's Rx-8 was also billed as a driver's car that possesed very nice handling, but was also under powered. I think we all know how well that worked. The more irksome part here is that the hotter motors are readily available and would probably bolt in with minimal changes, yet they come forward and say they will not offer them.
At least Toyota knows the DI doesn't work without some manner of port fuel injection.
12-01-2011, 12:04 PM
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same thing i though about a Lotus Exige, but i was able to slide my 6'2" 210lbs frame into one quite easily, and it was quite comfortable (too bad i didn't get to drive it though). just because a vehicle is a little on the smaller side, doesn't mean it's small on the inside.
12-01-2011, 08:28 PM
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I honestly see this as a prime competitor for the Miata/Lotus which it what they were aiming for in design.
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12-01-2011, 09:34 PM
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Most of the people on here are complain about weight becasue it is dilutive to the power to weight ratio. Removing weight will make those pople happy, but not if it doesn't have enough power.
Remember your audience is predominately made up of drag racers and street racers who like to go fast, not road racers and auto-xers that are much more concerned about vehicle balance and handling.
As far as comparisons to the civic SI, that car was also a turd that has a hard time out pacing a camry. Looking at this, it seems the 2012 V6 Camry will actually be faster than both from 0-60 and the 1/4 mile. (5.8 and 14.1 @ 101mph)
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
Think about that for a second. They developed a "sports car" that is slower than their very own large family sedan, which is widely viewed as boring and appliance like.
Mazda's Rx-8 was also billed as a driver's car that possesed very nice handling, but was also under powered. I think we all know how well that worked. The more irksome part here is that the hotter motors are readily available and would probably bolt in with minimal changes, yet they come forward and say they will not offer them.
Remember your audience is predominately made up of drag racers and street racers who like to go fast, not road racers and auto-xers that are much more concerned about vehicle balance and handling.
As far as comparisons to the civic SI, that car was also a turd that has a hard time out pacing a camry. Looking at this, it seems the 2012 V6 Camry will actually be faster than both from 0-60 and the 1/4 mile. (5.8 and 14.1 @ 101mph)
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
Think about that for a second. They developed a "sports car" that is slower than their very own large family sedan, which is widely viewed as boring and appliance like.
Mazda's Rx-8 was also billed as a driver's car that possesed very nice handling, but was also under powered. I think we all know how well that worked. The more irksome part here is that the hotter motors are readily available and would probably bolt in with minimal changes, yet they come forward and say they will not offer them.
The red one in the photo one page back doesn't look too bad and it could possibly be a nice overall package if it really does come out in the $25k range. But personally, I'd still find a way drop the extra coin and be all over a base 370Z (only $31k before haggling, also fantastic handling and umm, oh yeah, 332hp LOL) long before this torqueless wonder.
And please don't throw the "yeah but this one has back seats" retort at me, this FT-86 has "back seats" much in the way that a Miata has good towing capabilities.
12-02-2011, 01:31 AM
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What I think when I read about that car is... S2000 - 200lbs - 40hp + better handling. While not very fast, sounds like a helluva car to drive hard. Cuz there are roads around here where you can do that.
12-02-2011, 11:28 AM
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Don't get me wrong. I like the fact that they are getting back into this market somewhat, but give the car some power. Even the base WRX engine would leave more room for aftermarket upgrades.
12-02-2011, 11:35 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=pf0Fcbk_2t0
12-02-2011, 12:35 PM
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12-02-2011, 02:51 PM
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i've always loved the Genesis... but have heard warry stories regarding the powerplant. This might be a better alternative, toyota makes some pretty nice things. Gutless or not, still probably a blast to drive, just like an S2K.
12-02-2011, 11:57 PM
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Give the aftermarket time to catch up, and this thing will be a monster. Internals swap, turbo, and the tuning bugs figured out.. it has legend potential IMO. Hopefully, the block is tough, but what block isn't these days?
12-03-2011, 12:53 AM
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Forgive my bench racing but I imagine this car stock should be good for 14s. Getting this car into the 12s isn't going to be a piece of cake. It already weighs nothing so I doubt there's much to be gained with weight reduction, it's not already boosted so a turbo setup would have to be fabricated, etc.
For the money I'd rather buy a clean C5 Z06 that'll whoop this little ricer at the dragstrip AND around a circuit.
12-03-2011, 01:10 AM
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Hopefully they come out with a version that's equipped with the WRX engine so it will at least keep up with V6 Mustangs
12-03-2011, 11:47 AM
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I doubt people looking to buy this car will even think about getting an AT MINIMUM 8 year old Corvette. I swear, this is like trying to explain to RedHotG8 why I prefer manual transmissions 
12-03-2011, 11:57 AM
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Wait so you spend how much money buying a brand new car and then dump a bunch of money into it just to make it as fast as what... a stock LS1 from the late 90s?
Forgive my bench racing but I imagine this car stock should be good for 14s. Getting this car into the 12s isn't going to be a piece of cake. It already weighs nothing so I doubt there's much to be gained with weight reduction, it's not already boosted so a turbo setup would have to be fabricated, etc.
For the money I'd rather buy a clean C5 Z06 that'll whoop this little ricer at the dragstrip AND around a circuit.
Forgive my bench racing but I imagine this car stock should be good for 14s. Getting this car into the 12s isn't going to be a piece of cake. It already weighs nothing so I doubt there's much to be gained with weight reduction, it's not already boosted so a turbo setup would have to be fabricated, etc.
For the money I'd rather buy a clean C5 Z06 that'll whoop this little ricer at the dragstrip AND around a circuit.
12-03-2011, 12:35 PM
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Looking at cars in the same price range (under $30k) that have been out for a few years already this car is going to get beat everywhere; so even comparing it to brand new cars shows that it sucks performance-wise. I just don't understand why they build such a great platform and then kill any chance it had at competing by not giving it any power.