Revealed - Toyota FT-86 (Scion FR-S/Subaru BRZ in the US) RWD sports car
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Here, this will make everyone happy if they follow through and make it a model vs an aftermarket kit (too bad it's a supercharger but better than nothing)-
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/260343/
280hp for this and price it around $28k and they would have a winner.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/260343/
280hp for this and price it around $28k and they would have a winner.
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Reviews are out on it now, near 2800lbs and a 54/46 weight split...that's not very impressive for a 200hp car. Everywhere says $25k for base price, but nothing on that is confirmed yet.
Automobile magazine-
"We saw an indicated 132 mph in the manual-transmission BRZ, and the 2.0-liter was still pulling. It seemed a long shot that it would make it to 143 mph, which is the estimated top speed an engineer gave us. On the other hand, a BRZ automatic couldn't pull past 128 mph, and that same engineer estimates it will make it to 137 mph – so perhaps the track was headed up a slight grade. The manual transmission car should be able to hit 60 mph in just under 7 seconds; the automatic just over"
That puts it at about a low 15sec 1/4 mile and it would be neck and neck with a Leaf to 60 They really need to come out with that supercharged (or a turbocharged) model, because that is just sad.
Automobile magazine-
"We saw an indicated 132 mph in the manual-transmission BRZ, and the 2.0-liter was still pulling. It seemed a long shot that it would make it to 143 mph, which is the estimated top speed an engineer gave us. On the other hand, a BRZ automatic couldn't pull past 128 mph, and that same engineer estimates it will make it to 137 mph – so perhaps the track was headed up a slight grade. The manual transmission car should be able to hit 60 mph in just under 7 seconds; the automatic just over"
That puts it at about a low 15sec 1/4 mile and it would be neck and neck with a Leaf to 60 They really need to come out with that supercharged (or a turbocharged) model, because that is just sad.
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Yeah...
I don't see it stealing any potential Mazda Miata owners.
I can see it taking away some potential Scion Tc buyers, so there's that.
Hold on, Toyota makes the Scion Tc...
No, it looks like a decent car. I'm just not sure what market segment they're going for.
My guess would be the same as that for the V6 mustang, V6 camaro, Altima coupe, Civic Si, Scion Tc, etc.
I don't see it stealing any potential Mazda Miata owners.
I can see it taking away some potential Scion Tc buyers, so there's that.
Hold on, Toyota makes the Scion Tc...
No, it looks like a decent car. I'm just not sure what market segment they're going for.
My guess would be the same as that for the V6 mustang, V6 camaro, Altima coupe, Civic Si, Scion Tc, etc.
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Here, this will make everyone happy if they follow through and make it a model vs an aftermarket kit (too bad it's a supercharger but better than nothing)-
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/260343/
280hp for this and price it around $28k and they would have a winner.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/260343/
280hp for this and price it around $28k and they would have a winner.
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Personally I think you wasted money getting an '02. Following your thought process, you should have just gotten a '98 and saved yourself a few thousand dollars.
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I haven't been hostile towards you sir. I have the right to my opinion about this car and you shouldn't get personally offended by it. Maybe you like it, but I don't, no need to get offended about it.
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Edit: Here, let me make it even more clear for you; you are critical of the car because it is newer and more expensive than your 10 year old Camaro. So following that logic, it would have been better for you to get a '98 instead of an '02, because then you would have an even older car that costs less than your car. Which, in your flawed logic, makes it a better buy.
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The fact that you perceive any hostility shows that you didn't understand what I said. I am trying to show you the flaw in your "bang for the buck" argument. I don't care if you don't like the car.
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So basically in a thread supposed to be about this Toyota, I'm forced to explain why I bought an 02 Camaro instead of a 98. Oh well, if you insist...
My car is my daily driver, not a weekend fun car. I was willing to sacrifice a little bit of cash to get a low mileage 02 that would have fewer upkeep issues to deal with than a higher mileage 98. I'm sure I could have gotten a 98 for cheaper but I found this car for sale, I wanted it, so I bought it. Could I have gotten a better deal? Probably. Would this Toyota be a better deal? Hell no.
My car is my daily driver, not a weekend fun car. I was willing to sacrifice a little bit of cash to get a low mileage 02 that would have fewer upkeep issues to deal with than a higher mileage 98. I'm sure I could have gotten a 98 for cheaper but I found this car for sale, I wanted it, so I bought it. Could I have gotten a better deal? Probably. Would this Toyota be a better deal? Hell no.
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Clearly. He bought a newer car, with fewer miles, for more money, for reasons other than speed...but yet he seems to be unable to make the connection. Glad I'm not the only one that sees the humor.