ZL1 Tested vs BOSS
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My buddy's 2012 SS Camaro ran a 12.9 @ 110.9 completely stock with 1300 miles, I'm sure it will get faster with break-in. All the gt500's I have seen has had atleast drag radials and have been between 12.7-11.8. Seems very similar results to me with the GT500 being faster.
Yep....it's called reality. You should get off the net and try it sometime.
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Please feel free to quote where I said that.
My buddy's 2012 SS Camaro ran a 12.9 @ 110.9 completely stock with 1300 miles, I'm sure it will get faster with break-in. All the gt500's I have seen has had atleast drag radials and have been between 12.7-11.8. Seems very similar results to me with the GT500 being faster.
Yep....it's called reality. You should get off the net and try it sometime.
My buddy's 2012 SS Camaro ran a 12.9 @ 110.9 completely stock with 1300 miles, I'm sure it will get faster with break-in. All the gt500's I have seen has had atleast drag radials and have been between 12.7-11.8. Seems very similar results to me with the GT500 being faster.
Yep....it's called reality. You should get off the net and try it sometime.
Edit: Wait a sec, re-read what you said... 12.7-11.8? You don't think maybe that 12.8 was just a shitty driver? You're really gonna say that a time spread as large as that, is "similar" to a car that ran a 12.9, and only has potential to get a couple/few tenths faster?
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I do tend to go by what my eyes have seen, so yes if that is flawed then I guess I'm flawed.....am I the only one?
What don't I understand???? Is what I read on the et boards at the track wrong?.....Are these testers in the vid's I posted wrong? They seem to be right-on with the Camaro.
Please help me see threw my blindness and lack of understanding.
What don't I understand???? Is what I read on the et boards at the track wrong?.....Are these testers in the vid's I posted wrong? They seem to be right-on with the Camaro.
Please help me see threw my blindness and lack of understanding.
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You simply ignore times that people run everywhere else in the country. To get a realistic idea of what a car is *capable* of, you need to take into account what all sorts of people are running. Cuz guess what? All this stuff you are saying is nothing but "internet times" too. Just because it didn't happen at your track, doesn't make it any less "real-world."
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http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...car_contender/
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I commented on that as well. His comments on the Boss seem to be the opposite of what every other tester has said, including other MT testers. MT had it in contention for "driver car of the year" lol.
http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...car_contender/
http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...car_contender/
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So in your mind, GT500s are high 12s cars, because that's what you have personally seen? I'm not the only person telling you that thought process is flawed. But you just don't seem to understand.
Edit: Wait a sec, re-read what you said... 12.7-11.8? You don't think maybe that 12.8 was just a shitty driver? You're really gonna say that a time spread as large as that, is "similar" to a car that ran a 12.9, and only has potential to get a couple/few tenths faster?
Edit: Wait a sec, re-read what you said... 12.7-11.8? You don't think maybe that 12.8 was just a shitty driver? You're really gonna say that a time spread as large as that, is "similar" to a car that ran a 12.9, and only has potential to get a couple/few tenths faster?
You simply ignore times that people run everywhere else in the country. To get a realistic idea of what a car is *capable* of, you need to take into account what all sorts of people are running. Cuz guess what? All this stuff you are saying is nothing but "internet times" too. Just because it didn't happen at your track, doesn't make it any less "real-world."
So your saying the times I have seen at the track with my own eyes are "internet times"?
You must be as twisted as he is.
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Maybe you should reread it again and notice where I said all were on a drag radial....that means not stock. 2 of the 3 definitly had atleast exhaust and only 1 made it to the high 11's. I guess you've never heard of modifications.
I know there are other times on the cars but I was comparing same day, same track which is the only way to keep it somewhat accurate. We are talking stock cars not what they are "capable" of. The record for a stock 5th gen is 12.6.....by your standards that is what it is "capable" of??????
So your saying the times I have seen at the track with my own eyes are "internet times"?
You must be as twisted as he is.
I know there are other times on the cars but I was comparing same day, same track which is the only way to keep it somewhat accurate. We are talking stock cars not what they are "capable" of. The record for a stock 5th gen is 12.6.....by your standards that is what it is "capable" of??????
So your saying the times I have seen at the track with my own eyes are "internet times"?
You must be as twisted as he is.
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I understand all that. No one ever said what the best times were in the country for a "stock" GT500 which can also be skewed by great da and great track prep. I was comparing same day same track just as the magizines did. Which seems on par.
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But different drivers, which makes a WAY bigger difference than the track and conditions do. I was (full bolt-ons) outrunning a C6 Z06 at the track all day long, same track same day, does that mean my car is quicker than his?
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I under the different drivers. The mags should use the same drivers, I'm sure they switch off when they're testing these things. Actual track results will very.....drivers will very,. Not evrything is gonna be perfect for everybody......jesus christ you guys nit pick **** to death. Sometimes **** is what it is.
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This entire debate is pointless. The Boss is a throwback, track-focused trim level that falls in between the GT and the GT500. The ZL1 is going to be the top dog Camaro. The GT500 has had the King of Hill status to itself for nearly 5 years now...and with very little fan fair as far as I can tell. The ZL1 coming onto the scene will just make things more interesting. The fanboys can soil themselves over these cars and get their panties in a bunch arguing with each other till their blue in the face over which car will reign supreme on race track X or Y. The rest of us will just sit back and think..."****, these damn cars are getting fast".
The day that the losing car on a given track day has to have its production line shut down permanently as a consequence is the day that these fanboy debates will hold water. Until that day, it's just verbal masturbation. I'll repeat something I always say....buy what you like, and stop trying to force everyone else to be impressed with you for your choice.
The day that the losing car on a given track day has to have its production line shut down permanently as a consequence is the day that these fanboy debates will hold water. Until that day, it's just verbal masturbation. I'll repeat something I always say....buy what you like, and stop trying to force everyone else to be impressed with you for your choice.
#156
Can't we all just get along?
Let's keep in mind that we are living in an era of supreme street car performance. There was a time in the 80's when it seemed this time would never exist. We are truly fortunate.
Let's keep in mind that we are living in an era of supreme street car performance. There was a time in the 80's when it seemed this time would never exist. We are truly fortunate.
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Now that the SS has the FE4 suspension I would suspect it will pick up a lot more than .1 per lap and now out-handle the GT...something else that is never mentioned. Are they ever going to re-test them on a road course against each other? The 5th gen platform is an awesome handler...they just went a bit too conservative at first and needed some time to dial it in.
After I changed the springs and sways on my car the handling is amazing. It felt decent enough stock...but now it is great.
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Like how when road and track tested the GT and SS on a road course and the SS lost by .1? And now all we hear is that the SS handles like garbage and the GT is supreme? Now we have a ZL1 beating the BOSS laguna seca by 2.4 seconds per lap and it is too close? All you can do is shake your head and move on.
Now that the SS has the FE4 suspension I would suspect it will pick up a lot more than .1 per lap and now out-handle the GT...something else that is never mentioned. Are they ever going to re-test them on a road course against each other? The 5th gen platform is an awesome handler...they just went a bit too conservative at first and needed some time to dial it in.
After I changed the springs and sways on my car the handling is amazing. It felt decent enough stock...but now it is great.
Now that the SS has the FE4 suspension I would suspect it will pick up a lot more than .1 per lap and now out-handle the GT...something else that is never mentioned. Are they ever going to re-test them on a road course against each other? The 5th gen platform is an awesome handler...they just went a bit too conservative at first and needed some time to dial it in.
After I changed the springs and sways on my car the handling is amazing. It felt decent enough stock...but now it is great.
FYI ....I used to do some independant acceleration testing for BMW, M3's, M5's, Z3's...their whole line really. So yes I know how good those cars are.