LS1LT1

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Wow, they really pulled it off, I'm impressed.
That (along with the Camaro ZL1 as well of course) is going to be A LOT OF PERFORMANCE CAR for the money.

demarco313

Just some quick facts about the 2013 GT500:

The 2013 GT500 will still weigh 3850

It does start at 54,995 (Destination included)

The Shelby will also complete the 1/4 mile in 3rd gear!

It does avoid the gax guzzler tax which is a BIG PLUS. (zl1 doesn't which will boost it's price by over 1k)

It's got a 5.8L alluminum block with a 2.3 TVS supercharger running 15psi stock

Produces 500lb-ft of torque @2k rpm.

Ford has upgraded the clutch to a larger diameter twin-disc unit, the transmission gears feature less helix and the case and bearings have been strengthened too.

It's detuned by quite a bit according to Ford. So with a tune alone it will see a nice gain.

It now has a single piece carbon fiber driveshaft that replaces the 2 piece steel unit found on the 2011-12 which is 15 pounds lighter.

The GT500 was rated from ford at 650hp but thats at 6250rpm. The redline on the new GT500 is actually 7k and at that rpm will produce 670 according to Ford so in come cases you can say it's really 670HP. I think they rated it at the 6250rpm due to the fact that you can only hold redline in each gear at 7k for 8 seconds which is crazy. Who actually stays at redline in any gear for that long.

GT500 doesn't have a speed limiter on it (only the coupe) and has been tested to be the 1st muscle car to reach 200mph. 202 to be exact. Convertible will be limited to 155.

The GT500 doesn't come with an external engine oil cooler, rear differential cooler and transmission cooler standard like the ZL1 does. That is an option called Track Package.

The GT500 also has 33% more downforce at 160mph compared to the 11-12 GT500.

The 2013 GT500 final drive ratio is 3.31 now compared to the 3.55 or the optional 3.73 which were on the 2011-12.


For more technical and good info about the GT500 check this out.

http://stangsunited.com/showthread.p...the-2013-GT500

LS1LT1

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I think it's actually an 11 pound savings but good news either way.

DRIVESHAFT

Connecting the new upgraded transmission to the Torsen T2 differential is a 11-lb.-lighter single-piece carbon shaft than the previous two piece DS.






Ok, that's probably what's helping them reach that 202mph and even helping them avoid the gas guzzler tax a little bit, it might also hurt acceleration over a 2012 '3.73 geared' car as well but the extra 100hp should MORE than make up for that.

demarco313

I've actually seen 11, 13 and 15pounds from other sources lol. Either way11-15 is still only a 4 pound diff

Here is another good read. On this site they said 13 pounds lol.

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...her/index.html


Exactly. That's why it's able to achieve it's 202 mph mark. Ford said their intention from the start was to have the 1st muscle car to hit 200+mph and that was their main focus along with doing it without a gas guzzler tax.

Yes it will hurt the acceleration with 3.31s but will at least be easier to launch along with the LC that's supposed to be awesome. It's in that link right up above. It's a good read if you haven't read it.

Ford should've rated it at it's true hp # which is 670hp at 7k not 650 @6250rpm. Maybe they just wanted to try and embarrass the ZL1 even more since people will think it's only 650hp lol

Either way, with just a tune, slicks and 3.73s or 4.10s this thing will be SICK!

gocartone

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Pricing is the same, the $54,995 includes the destination charge on the Ford, which Chevy charges $900 for on the ZL1.

Is this a for sure thing? The website doesn't list anything about a track pack, unless I'm missing it somewhere.

Still can't believe how many people were saying this car would be $70k+, go Ford for making by far the cheapest car that breaks the 200mph barrier. So this car has a 90hp advantage on the ZL1 along with being quite a bit lighter...for the same price! Can't wait to see these two go head to head, although I'm guessing the GT500 is going to run circles around the ZL1...everywhere.

demarco313

Yes sir. It's a sure thing about the track pack. It states that in the link in 1st thread I made. Here is the link again. It's an option on the GT500 while being standard on the Zl1. It's really only needed though if you plan on doing a lot of road racing. It's not needed if your just going to the drag strip or if your not into serious road racing.

http://stangsunited.com/showthread.p...the-2013-GT500

They also have a performance package also. That's in this link to ^^^

TransAmWS.6

Wow, so, the MSRP on the GT500 is really going to be 55k? I was thinking that it was going to be at least 60 something, very nice, this car is going to be killer. The ZL1 is impressive in it's own way, but honestly I don't think it will be able to compete with the GT500.

BLUE OVAL TURBO

I'm thinking with 500 lb-ft @ 2,000 rpm and 650 (670 ) hp to boot ....The 3.31:1 gears won't hurt acceleration versus the '11 -'12 models. This thing makes almost the same torque @ 2k that these models made ( 510 lb-ft ) max.

It'llrun

So the 2 are identically priced, since the destination charge for the ZL1 is $900... The ZL1 will be a bit more expensive, thanks to that (roughly) $1,300 guzzler penalty. Of course, it comes with some nice performance aids that are not standard on the GT500.

At this point, I'm honestly thinking that in a straight line, the ZL1 is going to be absolutely crushed, stock for stock or tuned for tuned. The only factor will be traction. With its track aids at work, I think the ZL1 will be a better car in base form than the GT500, on a lengthy road course where braking is quite important... Say, the ring... More of what I'm thinking though, is lap after lap, when heat soak can become a real issue, I think the ZL1 will look better. Not like most people will buy one for road racing, but hey...

Seems nice though, you can get the GT500 with navigation and more for about 62-63k... It's a bunch of car for that price.

Heater

I am fully expecting the media to do more comparisons of the GT500 with the ZR1 than the ZL1.

1QWIKZ

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jesus, the interior on the shelby is nice. excellent info demarco313, i was ready and waiting to buy a 2013 Boss, but now.....

-Ross-

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"Shirley, you can't be serious?"

LS1LT1

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They might've even done it just so that they can still increase the 'power ratings' in later model years (2014/2015 etc.) 'for free', so to speak.





Me too, I thought the base MSRP was going to be at least $57k+, kudos to Ford on this one.





You may be right, I just can't see a bone stock ZL1 running anything quicker than an 11.6 or 11.5 quarter mile even in great conditions. But at a lighter 3850 pounds and 650+hp the GT500 should be capable of 11.3/11.2 second quarter miles times in the right hands.
On a drag radial/slick, both cars will improve GREATLY but the Mustang will still have the advantage (probably high 10s with a great driver in good air).

gocartone

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This car is going to have no problem clicking of 10s with slicks, we are talking almost 700hp here. It has .4 more lbs per horsepower than a ZR1, .8lbs per horsepower LESS than a Z06, that puts it in the mid-upper 120 trap speed range, maybe even clicking off low 130s in great air. To think, 10 years ago the best Ford had to offer was barely hitting 100, just cracking the 13sec barrier, and had less than half as much horsepower! Thank God the government hasn't stepped in on these horsepower wars yet.

7998

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Wow that is stupid crazy, it has a better hp/lb ratio than a Z06 and 4 tenths more than a ZR-1. If your info is correct that really puts it in a whole new perspective.
Geez I remember the getting excited over the new 190hp H.O 15 second IROC, lol. 14's were Vette territory.
Great time to be alive.

Irunelevens

QFT

1ltcap

it is. it also lets them hit 62mph in 1st gear. i'd guess in the mid to upper 3 second range 0-60 with that.

1ltcap

there was something i had read that jamal hameedi said that they do this because there's cruisers that'll never need or want that track pack...and then there's the guys that'll buy it because they're tracking their car.

as per usual, it's about choices.

1ltcap

linkie no workie.

gocartone

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Only reason I question it is because I see no mention of it on their website, only seen people that are talking about the car mention the track pack. I know the old cars had it, so IDK if people are just making asses out of themselves when talking about it.