Wnts2Go10O

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i thought the 429 was never used in NASCAR? or was that the cammer?

1ltcap

the boss429 was a nascar engine.....it had a drag pack too. it sucked on the street though. pretty much the same as the boss302's. they sucked on the street, but kicked *** on the trans am circuits.

the 427SOHC was the one that never ran nascar. it's a shame too. i think it would've been above 200mph before chrysler did it.

MI-Z/28

I know this, but I fail to see how asking for a ZL1 suspension and body package with the addition of a hot cam LS3 and a few gear options makes it a drag car and not a road racer.

LS1LT1

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True, I think they were both initially developed for NASCAR use but I believe that 'rule changes' ultimately outlawed both of them.






From what I understand the 1970 Boss 302 was less radical (cam?) and far more streetable than the 1969 car.

LS1LT1

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Good point.

1ltcap

biggest difference between the 69 and 70 was the intake valves. the 69 had 2.25" intake valves, the 70 had 2.19" intakes.
what was happening, was that they actually breathed TOO well for the street,,,,rare for a ford small block.

i had read somewhere that the cammer was outlawed, because nascar was afraid of the timing chain letting loose, and hand grenading the engine. i personally think that both gm and chrysler lobbied them to outlaw it, because they knew it would be untouchable.

i've actually got a disassembled 1970 boss302 engine out in my garage. not stock though. i've still got the baby c-6 to go with it. almost tucked that into my futura, but i wanted something streetable.

firebird99

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Your all WRONG!!! It should be offered as a v8 version below the SS same motor but ''NO'' fancy options cloth seats,manual everything and light as could be.Let the SS owners have all the luxury stuff and let the zl1 guys have the big payment let us car guys have a fast,loud,fun to drive,mustang whopping,26mpg,pushrod having badass camaro...Please

Zlow28

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So you want the z28 to be the exact same as the SS but less comfortable?? Id rather it be a less horsepower engine, much less weight, and much better handling, than the current SS.

The current Boss 302 has a reputation of beating beamers and other imports at the track. Id love to see a z28 share that fame.

BLUE OVAL TURBO

Yes sir that was what i was thinking of . Thank You.

LS1LT1

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Me too.

CaptainDirtymax

don't forget that was a 2.5L I4 weighing that much. a rwd 3.6 V6 was supposedly close to 3600lbs.

Wnts2Go10O

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umm.. no..

SS is the base v8
Z28 was the limited edition racer

LS1LT1

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That much?!
I agree that it was likely the base model 4 cylinder that weighed in at just under 3400 pounds...but I can't imagine the turbo 4 or even the V6 (even with the added bracing/strengthening that comes with it) adding that much more weight.
But maybe so.




Well, yes and no.
Back in the 1st gen era, one could get a base V8 (a 283 and later a 307 I believe?) in any base Camaro, the SSs usually came only with the 'hotter' V8s (327, later on the 350, 396s etc.) and the more handling oriented Z28 was a 302 with a manual trans only.
Of course through the later COPO programs you could get almost any big block in even the most base Camaro as well, not just the SS.
But that was then, this is now.

MidnightMafia

Current Camaro body is TOO HEAVY, Ford changes the Mustang body every few years (Hell even Chrysler changed the Charger / 300 SRT8 bodies) so maybe Chevy should think about doing the same next year if not 2014...

If they offered the Z28 as an AWD option like some of those new chargers, OMG Chevy could have a winner on their hands, GM DOES have engineers it can be done, look at the AWD Taurus SHO (a V6 Taurus that moves, who saw that coming) just sayin people would pay for an AWD Camaro and would be something new for Chevy

1ltcap

the current boss302 also is no less comfortable than a gt....and i know my gt is VERY comfortable.

1ltcap

no problem. i had only heard of that a month or so ago. to be honest, i was kind of shocked that nissan used that ford developed technology to build the gtr's engine.

1ltcap

hey....the camaro won a couple of road races last year. it was the ones where crashes or break downs took out the top competitors, but they won a couple.

wait....i was wrong....one of those two was won when the race ended under caution.....before that caution the camaro was being run down, and wouldve been passed within 2 laps.

CaptainDirtymax

can't forget the options that go in with the 3.6 powered cars (aka top of the line loaded model).

LS1LT1

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Agreed.



And that would help make this 'already too heavy' car lighter somehow? LOL
I hear what you're saying and AWD does have it's place in the world but I just don't think it's the 'correct answer' for this particular car.
Simply put, the current Camaro line needs to lose weight.

Sax1031

I doubt they are using the plasma arc tech.