unit213

Straight line performance is flat out an embarrassment.
GM flapping their gums about the ZL1 dominating the GT500 is an embarrassment. Being happy with "the twisties" is an embarrassment. Ford kicked GM's ***. That should be an embarrassment.

Handling? Is this Honda tech.com?

bamalt1

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Only when the Chevy gets beat in a straight line. You should know that by now sheesh.

1ltcap

no, it shouldn't be. not a single thing about either of these cars should be an embarrassment to anyone. except for gm's chief engineer flapping his gums. he should be forced to listen to ballroom dance music for about a week.

both of these cars are phenomenal. they will compliment each other, because each will force the rival manufacturer to create better cars for us.

TransAmWS.6

Wow, the ZL1 doesn't even handle all that much better like I thought it would. I like both, but it seems like the GT500 is definitely the superior car out of the two.

99FRC

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Yes, that's why I said "nuovo" Ford nutswingers, meaning all the people trying to jump on the band-Wagon saying that the GT500 is so superior and the ZL1 is a hunk of crap.

SparkyJJO

iTrader: (11)

It only took ford how many years?

Yes, someone had to say it

Both are great cars. Both are pushing each other to do better. I'm curious now what the next round will bring.

Meanwhile, I'll sit here with my 4th gen which while I love it and don't see myself getting rid of it, I also drool over these new ones too

LS1LT1

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D3VIL

Next round will be 2014 C7

I'm not worried about GM what so ever, the truth is that the camaro is still selling like hot cakes and they are the "cool" ones. And this means GM can take their sweet time making the corvette perfect like they always do

It might sound like an excuse(and has been repeated many times) but GM can't put the same engine in the camaro as the almighty zr1, so camaro does have it's limits. I don't expect the zl1 come back with any sort of hp bump for next year, and they really don't need to imo

ULTIMATEORANGESS

iTrader: (4)

this car run has run 11s stock. how is that embarrassing in a 4000lb plus car?

zz4camaro1980

Us Chevy guys are just so used to winning that we hold ourselves to a higher standard... the one trick pony GT500 may fool some of the less educated, but people who want the best all around performer still know where they can find it.

1ltcap

now why'd ya cut out the part about al op being forced to listen to ballroom music?

1ltcap

of course. they step down from the shelby to the boss302. it's better all around package.

firebird99

iTrader: (2)

So you admit it takes ford two cars to do what Chevy does in 1?!?!?

SPOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!

Siciliano15

iTrader: (7)

its too bad they didnt drop in the ls9 instead of the lsa though. it would have been game over for ford. the ford would probably still have a slightly higher trap speed but the quarter mile time would be better in the camaro.

and people saying gm cant drop in the ls9 because it would outperform their flagship zr1 vette is crazy. that would never happen the vette is 700 pounds lighter.

Also they really should have called this car the z28 since its made for handling. they could have thrown the ls7 in that since its naturally aspirated and lighter/better for handling and then came out with a limited production drag zl1 with the ls9.

BanditTA

iTrader: (3)

Most men would say size matters.....the ZL1 does have a substantially larger S/C pulley.

It's all about the blower, GM used the smaller TVS 1900 on the Camaro/CTSV and the larger 2300 on the ZR1, which Ford happens to also use on the GT500. Ford has also really pushed the blower with a really small pulley compared to GM.

We all know the Ford dominates, aesthetically I like the Camaro 100x better, and I really dislike the regular Camaros and downright hate the way regular Mustangs look.

loudblack97z71

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THIS! I desperatly hoped for a ZL1 with a LS7, like the old ZL1 427.

88blackgt

They talked this huge game about how the ZL1 was better in every way, then it only equals or loses to the GT500 in every performance metric. While I think these drivers were sub par, the GT500 was a HALF SECOND faster in the quarter mile; that's embarrassing

TriShield

Looks at Edmunds results Ford didn't soundly kick anyone's ***. In fact I'd say the margins are so close that for packing 662hp the performance doesn't appear to be there. It also sounds like some gearing/trans concessions were made for the sake of marketing the GT500's top speed at the expensive of drive and tractability.

Siciliano15

iTrader: (7)

yea an ls7 would have been absolutely sick. id go out and get one. yea 80 less hp but its really only about 50 less hp to the wheels according to dynos and the car would have been a good 100lbs lighter without all that blower stuff. also it would be a bigger motor as a starting point for a really nice heads cam setup. prob be good for 550-600 rwhp and naturally aspirated

1ltcap

lololol