ZL1 Wins overall vs new GT500
06-13-2012, 02:07 PM
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Looks at Edmunds results Ford didn't soundly kick anyone's ***. In fact I'd say the margins are so close that for packing 662hp the performance doesn't appear to be there. It also sounds like some gearing/trans concessions were made for the sake of marketing the GT500's top speed at the expensive of drive and tractability.
06-13-2012, 04:47 PM
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There are plenty of people like him that compete in track events. Don't write off someone's skill based on their appearance.
06-13-2012, 04:53 PM
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Most men would say size matters.....the ZL1 does have a substantially larger S/C pulley.
It's all about the blower, GM used the smaller TVS 1900 on the Camaro/CTSV and the larger 2300 on the ZR1, which Ford happens to also use on the GT500. Ford has also really pushed the blower with a really small pulley compared to GM.
It's all about the blower, GM used the smaller TVS 1900 on the Camaro/CTSV and the larger 2300 on the ZR1, which Ford happens to also use on the GT500. Ford has also really pushed the blower with a really small pulley compared to GM.
They claimed it would be better then the 2012 not the 2013 you are comparing that not GM. I think it's funny that even with less power and more weight the ZL1 is a better all around car now that's embarrassing for you ford guys well maybe not if you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
06-13-2012, 05:00 PM
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Please don't tell me your talking about the cobra? It's not the strongest argument when ford waited until the fbodys were gone and even then they had to have a blower to beat it. Z28 to GT the mustang lost from 93-02 then even after its final day it would still take a GT until the new 5.0 cam out so I guess it's ok to let them have some time in the sun since they were in the shadow of the lt-ls1 cars for so long.
06-13-2012, 06:08 PM
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Yeah I don't think some peolpe realize what ford had to do to bump that motor from 550 to 662.
They claimed it would be better then the 2012 not the 2013 you are comparing that not GM. I think it's funny that even with less power and more weight the ZL1 is a better all around car now that's embarrassing for you ford guys well maybe not if you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
They claimed it would be better then the 2012 not the 2013 you are comparing that not GM. I think it's funny that even with less power and more weight the ZL1 is a better all around car now that's embarrassing for you ford guys well maybe not if you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
06-13-2012, 06:16 PM
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Please don't tell me your talking about the cobra? It's not the strongest argument when ford waited until the fbodys were gone and even then they had to have a blower to beat it. Z28 to GT the mustang lost from 93-02 then even after its final day it would still take a GT until the new 5.0 cam out so I guess it's ok to let them have some time in the sun since they were in the shadow of the lt-ls1 cars for so long.
06-13-2012, 07:21 PM
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Please don't tell me your talking about the cobra? It's not the strongest argument when ford waited until the fbodys were gone and even then they had to have a blower to beat it. Z28 to GT the mustang lost from 93-02 then even after its final day it would still take a GT until the new 5.0 cam out so I guess it's ok to let them have some time in the sun since they were in the shadow of the lt-ls1 cars for so long.
06-13-2012, 07:44 PM
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I believe the Mustang destroying the Camaro is why it didn't exist 
People love to bring up how the Camaro has a small sales lead on the Mustang every month, while back in the LT1/LS1 days the Mustang was outselling the Camaro and Firebird about 3 to 1.
People love to bring up how the Camaro has a small sales lead on the Mustang every month, while back in the LT1/LS1 days the Mustang was outselling the Camaro and Firebird about 3 to 1.
06-13-2012, 07:45 PM
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Yeah, they did. I think they jumped the gun, knowing full-well that they made a good performance car. I think they were banking on Ford just throwing a ton of power under the hood of the 2012 and calling it a day. Ford made a lot of improvements to the new GT500 that GM engineers had hoped wouldn't be enough to rival their car.
I still think the road course results will come down to the track setup (assuming good/same driver in each car). On courses with higher speeds, the GT500 will win, while the ZL1 will excel on tighter, more technical courses. Both cars are awesome, and I'd love to see either one in my garage (maybe someday).
I still think the road course results will come down to the track setup (assuming good/same driver in each car). On courses with higher speeds, the GT500 will win, while the ZL1 will excel on tighter, more technical courses. Both cars are awesome, and I'd love to see either one in my garage (maybe someday).
06-13-2012, 09:09 PM
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god stop arguing all of you. there are a few Zl1 vs Gt500 videos and review out now and there data is different in all of them but the main point remains the same
in a stock for stock 1/4 drag race or roll
Gt500 beats the Zl1, theres even a video of a tuned 2013 boss 302 beating the zl1
however, in a stock for stock autoX course,
the zl1 will beat the gt500 provided on course and lack of straightaways.
it just boils down to what you want more. personally i prefer the gt500 for the drag racing as thats what i do, not many people around here autoX. there will however always be those here on ls1tech that will argue that something was wrong somewhere in the zl1 and the gt500 sucks or whatever. just haters is what it is, ford knew what they wanted out of the gt500 and created a drag car that excels. chevy attempted to make an all around car but IMO could have beefed up the drag portion a bit. to each his own.
in a stock for stock 1/4 drag race or roll
Gt500 beats the Zl1, theres even a video of a tuned 2013 boss 302 beating the zl1
however, in a stock for stock autoX course,
the zl1 will beat the gt500 provided on course and lack of straightaways.
it just boils down to what you want more. personally i prefer the gt500 for the drag racing as thats what i do, not many people around here autoX. there will however always be those here on ls1tech that will argue that something was wrong somewhere in the zl1 and the gt500 sucks or whatever. just haters is what it is, ford knew what they wanted out of the gt500 and created a drag car that excels. chevy attempted to make an all around car but IMO could have beefed up the drag portion a bit. to each his own.
06-13-2012, 09:14 PM
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06-13-2012, 09:17 PM
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I was careful how I worded that by saying GT to Z28 nothing else and like I said before between those two cars the mustang lost from 93 until the new 5.0 that is a long time my friends. As far as GM having time to compete with the mustang when they brought back the camaro it make over a 100hp then the gt did so how did they lose that one? Hell ford guys should be glad they brought back the camaro just look what they offer you guys now compared to when it was gone.In the end I'm just glad we still have v8 sports cars to critique anyways.
06-13-2012, 09:19 PM
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04-06 GTO's spanked GT's...
Furthermore, If you want a 125 car for 60K, pay me 60K$ and I will deliver to you an LS1 Trans Am with a blower and pocket the rest. If you want a Grand Tourer that comfortably gets you around town and can hold its own on the drag strip or a road course for 55K get a ZL1.
Furthermore, If you want a 125 car for 60K, pay me 60K$ and I will deliver to you an LS1 Trans Am with a blower and pocket the rest. If you want a Grand Tourer that comfortably gets you around town and can hold its own on the drag strip or a road course for 55K get a ZL1.