ZL1 Wins overall vs new GT500
06-16-2012 | 05:21 PM
#141
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that are butt hurt that thier almighty GT500 was beat in a comparison get over yourself the ZL1 WON this round but relax their will be more people to test them and the next time ford might win until then ZL1>GT500Its funny to see most ZL1 fans here, state that the ZL1 is such a good handling car, or its made for the road course.
I'll re-post this again. I was at the track (Buttonwillow), last week, and there was a brand new Black ZL1 (owner is a member here), who previously owned a modified Camaro SS and a Z06, that he regulary tracked and auto x'd.
In his OWN words, he was VERY dis-appointed with the ZL1's performance at Buttonwillow. Especially being passed by stock Boss 302's. The best times he had that day, was 1:59 and a 2:01. The car started to suffer from the Heat, by the end of the day. The stock Boss 302's were doing 1:54's, and an owner with a stock LS with slicks, was running 1:50's. He thought (and I did as well), that the ZL1 was going to be a Track owners dream with a warranty. However, it still has the same understeer issues, the Camaro SS has.
I talked to the owner of the 2013 Boss 302, in which is was his first time out on a track (ouch). I had my high hopes for the ZL1 as well, but it is what it is. Hopefully GM comes back with a vengeance.
Like some of Mopar's products, the ZL1 is cool car, but when compared to others (regarding performance) - There are much better examples.
I'll re-post this again. I was at the track (Buttonwillow), last week, and there was a brand new Black ZL1 (owner is a member here), who previously owned a modified Camaro SS and a Z06, that he regulary tracked and auto x'd.
In his OWN words, he was VERY dis-appointed with the ZL1's performance at Buttonwillow. Especially being passed by stock Boss 302's. The best times he had that day, was 1:59 and a 2:01. The car started to suffer from the Heat, by the end of the day. The stock Boss 302's were doing 1:54's, and an owner with a stock LS with slicks, was running 1:50's. He thought (and I did as well), that the ZL1 was going to be a Track owners dream with a warranty. However, it still has the same understeer issues, the Camaro SS has.
I talked to the owner of the 2013 Boss 302, in which is was his first time out on a track (ouch). I had my high hopes for the ZL1 as well, but it is what it is. Hopefully GM comes back with a vengeance.
Like some of Mopar's products, the ZL1 is cool car, but when compared to others (regarding performance) - There are much better examples.
06-16-2012 | 05:21 PM
#142
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Love how people see one video of a sorry driver against a modded boss and everyone jumps on the boss wagon hell why not go one step further and add a blower to it and whip both the ZL1 and GT500? Bet you didn't think of that huh or put a big turbo on a import and do some highway pulls the results might surprise you.
As for going away from there roots no there just expanding the line up
1.Drag racing=COPO Camaro
2.Handing=1le
3.50/50 mix of both=SS
4.100% of both=ZL1
At the end of the day we all want a car that can do everything and cruise in comfort with the ac on if not then neither car is for you and you should spend your 50,000 plus on a dedicated track car.
As for going away from there roots no there just expanding the line up
1.Drag racing=COPO Camaro
2.Handing=1le
3.50/50 mix of both=SS
4.100% of both=ZL1
At the end of the day we all want a car that can do everything and cruise in comfort with the ac on if not then neither car is for you and you should spend your 50,000 plus on a dedicated track car.
there's already been an 800+hp supercharged boss. it was done about 6 ot 7 months ago.
but i better shut mah face, lest hio come in here and "own" me again 'cause i ain't raced my car yet.
06-16-2012 | 05:24 PM
#143
i like the way some are implying all of a sudden handling concerns is something new from car builders lol.
acceleration, handling and braking has always been compared among competitors as long as ive been paying attention.
but this argument was ok when a BOSS was brought up against a GS.
acceleration, handling and braking has always been compared among competitors as long as ive been paying attention.
but this argument was ok when a BOSS was brought up against a GS.
06-16-2012 | 07:02 PM
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Retard, the GT500 wins at every acceleration contest, top speed, option list, gas mileage, braking and isn't too far off on handling......if there's a one trick pony here, it's the ZL1, and this terrible review doesn't even substantiate that it's even the better car on a road course.
A supercharged 370ci motor running mid 12s is a complete and utter embarrassment.
06-16-2012 | 07:04 PM
#145
Retard, the GT500 wins at every acceleration contest, top speed, option list, gas mileage and isn't too far off on handling......if there's a one trick pony here, it's the ZL1, and this terrible review doesn't even substantiate that it's even the better car on a road course.
A supercharged 370ci motor running mid 12s is a complete and utter embarrassment.
A supercharged 370ci motor running mid 12s is a complete and utter embarrassment.
06-16-2012 | 07:05 PM
#146
What does a random guy talking to two different drivers about two cars that where not compared together in this test? This is about the ZL1 vs GT500 and they placed the ZL1 ahead of the GT500 but because you don't like the results you and others try to find a reason to discredit them. Like I said relax there will be other comparo's and the next time it could be the GT500 on top but until then it's the ZL1 so enjoy
Never said the COPO was street legal noir was it might intent just showing that Chevy hasn't "strayed" from there roots just expanded to touch base with all car guys not just drag racers.
For the BOSS issue people are picking apart the ZL1 over a video that has already been called out that the driver of the ZL1 was having shifting issues and kept hitting the limiter then when the owner of the BOSS jumped on here tooting his horn he was called out by one of his friends that the driver of the ZL1 sucks at shifting and he still hasn't answered the callout of his supposed 420-430whp.
For the BOSS issue people are picking apart the ZL1 over a video that has already been called out that the driver of the ZL1 was having shifting issues and kept hitting the limiter then when the owner of the BOSS jumped on here tooting his horn he was called out by one of his friends that the driver of the ZL1 sucks at shifting and he still hasn't answered the callout of his supposed 420-430whp.
06-16-2012 | 07:22 PM
#147
What does a random guy talking to two different drivers about two cars that where not compared together in this test? This is about the ZL1 vs GT500 and they placed the ZL1 ahead of the GT500 but because you don't like the results you and others try to find a reason to discredit them. Like I said relax there will be other comparo's and the next time it could be the GT500 on top but until then it's the ZL1 so enjoy
ummk
Never said the COPO was street legal noir was it might intent just showing that Chevy hasn't "strayed" from there roots just expanded to touch base with all car guys not just drag racers.
For the BOSS issue people are picking apart the ZL1 over a video that has already been called out that the driver of the ZL1 was having shifting issues and kept hitting the limiter then when the owner of the BOSS jumped on here tooting his horn he was called out by one of his friends that the driver of the ZL1 sucks at shifting and he still hasn't answered the callout of his supposed 420-430whp.
ummk Never said the COPO was street legal noir was it might intent just showing that Chevy hasn't "strayed" from there roots just expanded to touch base with all car guys not just drag racers.
For the BOSS issue people are picking apart the ZL1 over a video that has already been called out that the driver of the ZL1 was having shifting issues and kept hitting the limiter then when the owner of the BOSS jumped on here tooting his horn he was called out by one of his friends that the driver of the ZL1 sucks at shifting and he still hasn't answered the callout of his supposed 420-430whp.
06-16-2012 | 07:48 PM
#148
Retard, the GT500 wins at every acceleration contest, top speed, option list, gas mileage, braking and isn't too far off on handling......if there's a one trick pony here, it's the ZL1, and this terrible review doesn't even substantiate that it's even the better car on a road course.
A supercharged 370ci motor running mid 12s is a complete and utter embarrassment.
A supercharged 370ci motor running mid 12s is a complete and utter embarrassment.
06-16-2012 | 07:57 PM
#150
All of that and the ZL1 was still crowned number 1 guess there's more to a car then just speed huh go figure. You also forgot to mention that in order for it to be competitive against the ZL1 in all aspects is has to have both track options and cost over 8,000 more and that's alot of cash that could go towards mods to the ZL1 to make it beat the GT500 in EVERY aspect.
if thats the case this 4000lb+ pig appears to holds its own.
06-16-2012 | 08:07 PM
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What does a random guy talking to two different drivers about two cars that where not compared together in this test? This is about the ZL1 vs GT500 and they placed the ZL1 ahead of the GT500 but because you don't like the results you and others try to find a reason to discredit them. Like I said relax there will be other comparo's and the next time it could be the GT500 on top but until then it's the ZL1 so enjoy
Never said the COPO was street legal noir was it might intent just showing that Chevy hasn't "strayed" from there roots just expanded to touch base with all car guys not just drag racers.
For the BOSS issue people are picking apart the ZL1 over a video that has already been called out that the driver of the ZL1 was having shifting issues and kept hitting the limiter then when the owner of the BOSS jumped on here tooting his horn he was called out by one of his friends that the driver of the ZL1 sucks at shifting and he still hasn't answered the callout of his supposed 420-430whp.
Never said the COPO was street legal noir was it might intent just showing that Chevy hasn't "strayed" from there roots just expanded to touch base with all car guys not just drag racers.
For the BOSS issue people are picking apart the ZL1 over a video that has already been called out that the driver of the ZL1 was having shifting issues and kept hitting the limiter then when the owner of the BOSS jumped on here tooting his horn he was called out by one of his friends that the driver of the ZL1 sucks at shifting and he still hasn't answered the callout of his supposed 420-430whp.
the copo is only just starting this year, so yea....for a bit, they did indeed stray. till this there was no drag racing camaro you could buy from chevy, while the cobrajet's been kickin *** and takin names for a few years now.
if i came up on a zl1, and actually raced him, i'd sure as hell hope he'd wipe the street up with my lowly gt, and would feel dam good if i stayed within a couple cars of him. a regular camaro on the other hand.......foot on the other shoe and all that.......
06-16-2012 | 08:10 PM
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All of that and the ZL1 was still crowned number 1 guess there's more to a car then just speed huh go figure. You also forgot to mention that in order for it to be competitive against the ZL1 in all aspects is has to have both track options and cost over 8,000 more and that's alot of cash that could go towards mods to the ZL1 to make it beat the GT500 in EVERY aspect.
that said....to the guy that called you a retard.......i suspect he's way off......and dood....chill on the name calling, before the thread gets locked......
06-16-2012 | 08:23 PM
#153
Love how people see one video of a sorry driver against a modded boss and everyone jumps on the boss wagon hell why not go one step further and add a blower to it and whip both the ZL1 and GT500? Bet you didn't think of that huh or put a big turbo on a import and do some highway pulls the results might surprise you.
As for going away from there roots no there just expanding the line up
1.Drag racing=COPO Camaro
2.Handing=1le
3.50/50 mix of both=SS
4.100% of both=ZL1
At the end of the day we all want a car that can do everything and cruise in comfort with the ac on if not then neither car is for you and you should spend your 50,000 plus on a dedicated track car.
As for going away from there roots no there just expanding the line up
1.Drag racing=COPO Camaro
2.Handing=1le
3.50/50 mix of both=SS
4.100% of both=ZL1
At the end of the day we all want a car that can do everything and cruise in comfort with the ac on if not then neither car is for you and you should spend your 50,000 plus on a dedicated track car.
I'm actually not going off any video. I know the video you speak of, but have not watched it, as I really don't care. Fact's are, the Boss can run high 11's with basically nothing. Intake, tune, throw in some DR's, you got an 11 second car. Hell, I remember some guys had a 5.0 meet and outing, and there was a Auto 5.0 GT with DR's, CAI, X-pipe, and tune, who ran 11.8 at (above 117, don't remember the exact number). So, like I said, I'm not talking about blower's, I'm talking about a Boss with a mod or two, or a GT with about the same, maybe one or two more mods. Believe it or not ( I don't care) the ZL1 will have trouble with very mildly modded Boss's and 5.0's. Is it faster stock? Of course, but 2 or 3 mods can put these new 5.0 in the 11's fairly easily.
06-16-2012 | 08:28 PM
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LT1 Camaro came out in 1993 (and it only got uglier for Ford from there), so almost 20 years. The 03/04 Cobra was the only one that could take the LS1 fbodies in a strait line (including the 3V mustangs), but it utterly failed on a road course.
Never said the GT500 was a one trick horse, just simply replying to what you asked about why people care about handling. We're not talking about $30K cars anymore...
and lol at "out handle a GS vette", I hope you are not trying to compare skidpad numbers or slalom speeds as if that is what "handling" is.
and lol at "out handle a GS vette", I hope you are not trying to compare skidpad numbers or slalom speeds as if that is what "handling" is.
06-16-2012 | 08:30 PM
#155
The guy may not have been a "pro" but neither are 99% of the people that will buy these cars so I still feel that's a great comparison but I also said that there will be other people to test them with better drivers on better tracks and the GT500 could come out on top but we won't know until then we have to accept that the ZL1 is one up against a car that should by all means destroy the ZL1 yet it can't. Sorry ford fan boys better luck next round.
06-16-2012 | 08:35 PM
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The guy may not have been a "pro" but neither are 99% of the people that will buy these cars so I still feel that's a great comparison but I also said that there will be other people to test them with better drivers on better tracks and the GT500 could come out on top but we won't know until then we have to accept that the ZL1 is one up against a car that should by all means destroy the ZL1 yet it can't. Sorry ford fan boys better luck next round.
If the roles were reversed, we'd never hear the end of how fast the ZL1 is in a straight line and how that's all that matters...last time I checked the kill section it was 99.999999999% straight line racing videos/stories
Fact remains, these thing are gonna get smashed in the real world, kinda like how your beloved LS1 destroyed the 2V GTs, so enjoy your magazine bragging rights for now LOLOLOL
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06-16-2012 | 08:38 PM
#157
I'm actually not going off any video. I know the video you speak of, but have not watched it, as I really don't care. Fact's are, the Boss can run high 11's with basically nothing. Intake, tune, throw in some DR's, you got an 11 second car. Hell, I remember some guys had a 5.0 meet and outing, and there was a Auto 5.0 GT with DR's, CAI, X-pipe, and tune, who ran 11.8 at (above 117, don't remember the exact number). So, like I said, I'm not talking about blower's, I'm talking about a Boss with a mod or two, or a GT with about the same, maybe one or two more mods. Believe it or not ( I don't care) the ZL1 will have trouble with very mildly modded Boss's and 5.0's. Is it faster stock? Of course, but 2 or 3 mods can put these new 5.0 in the 11's fairly easily.
06-16-2012 | 09:31 PM
#158
I'm actually not going off any video. I know the video you speak of, but have not watched it, as I really don't care. Fact's are, the Boss can run high 11's with basically nothing. Intake, tune, throw in some DR's, you got an 11 second car. Hell, I remember some guys had a 5.0 meet and outing, and there was a Auto 5.0 GT with DR's, CAI, X-pipe, and tune, who ran 11.8 at (above 117, don't remember the exact number). So, like I said, I'm not talking about blower's, I'm talking about a Boss with a mod or two, or a GT with about the same, maybe one or two more mods. Believe it or not ( I don't care) the ZL1 will have trouble with very mildly modded Boss's and 5.0's. Is it faster stock? Of course, but 2 or 3 mods can put these new 5.0 in the 11's fairly easily.
06-16-2012 | 09:53 PM
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I really dont know why people get so butt hurt over this comparison. Both of these cars are really close in performance of each other, i really doubt someone will change their decision to purchase either car based off of a review given buy Insideline or anyone else for that matter. People like what they like and will buy what they like. Ive known alot of females whos only reason to buy a car was because it was "pretty". And using Youtube videos as proof with no time slips or verifiable data is fail.
06-16-2012 | 10:01 PM
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Retard, the GT500 wins at every acceleration contest, top speed, option list, gas mileage, braking and isn't too far off on handling......if there's a one trick pony here, it's the ZL1, and this terrible review doesn't even substantiate that it's even the better car on a road course.
A supercharged 370ci motor running mid 12s is a complete and utter embarrassment.
A supercharged 370ci motor running mid 12s is a complete and utter embarrassment.
http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/n...amaro_zl1.html
Yes i realize its still slower than the GT500 but just trying to keep the facts straight.