firebird99

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Hell if that's the case give a a 3400 pound zl1....

Irunelevens

This sounds like what a lot of people here have been saying for a while now...the GT500 is the more capable car, the ZL1 is more comfortable and easier to drive.

LS1LT1

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evolve

I see what you mean. If this seems to be the consensus, then why arent there multi lap tests? Wouldnt 3-4 laps tell the true story?

proxemics

Continue finding excuses after you lose a track race = Fail

1ltcap

didn't the shelby beat the zl at willow by more than it lost the other road course?

in all honesty, when a writer comes out and chooses the slower car as the winner, it's like saying that the person that thinks 1+1=potato is almost as smart as Einstein.

oh yea....it sounds somewhat biased too.

-Ross-

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Now, that's some Grade A nuthugging right there.

NW-99SS

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I will say the same for the Mustang, but only the Boss 302. It is the first nice Mustang I can stand looking at since 1969

And since you hate on Camaros so much, do you really not like the 70 -73's? Most non-brand loyal guys do appreciate those cars as well.

Oh and I would take an IROC over any 5.0 from the 80's, and I own a fourth gen so call me a fanboy and carry on, lol!

No seriously, I really like the new Boss, and this GT500 delivers in every aspect, even if you have to work harder for it. So it's harder to launch and go fast around a track...that makes it more rewarding when you accomplish the quick times. The GT500 is the big pony car for the enthusiasts, not the everyday "I wanna look cool" posers who won't even change their own air filter.

I respect the opinion of the writers, but as enthusiasts on this board, there is no way we can agree with them. The performance of the GT500 simply outshines the ZL1. ZL1 is respectable and due some credit. But we all know who the clear winner is at this point in the battle, congrats to Ford for giving us an amazing car

1ltcap

i don't hate on camaros. you may want to note i own one.

i don't dislike the 70's camaros, i just don't care for them. my brother had a 70? i think it was, split bumper camaro for a bit. when he told me he was selling it, i told him he was being somewhat stupid, and should keep it. i couldn't get down to florida before he sold it, otherwise i'd have bought it, due to the relative rarity of those.
the 80's camaros/firebirds i just never liked the looks of. working on them and seeing all of their faults didn't help, but then ford was about the same. my 89 that i had in my sig for a bit, i liked only 'cause it let me go fast in relative comfort. it was always fun to drive, and i liked the paint combination that the previous owner had used on it. i added the cowl hood.

the 4th gen camaros, rate the same as the 70's camaros....i don't dislike them.....i just don't care for them much. i do however think that cowl hoods on those destroy the lines.

as for mustangs......i never cared for the 71-73 mustangs. the 70 mustang was essentially the same as a 69. the pinto-stangs weren't horrible looking, but their interiors sucked big time, and they were slow(like pretty much everyting from the 70's)
the fox mustangs were kind of ugly, but at the same time had a "don't **** with me" look to them. sorta. their quality was slightly better than the camaros of the era.
the 90's mustangs, right up till 03, were in my humble opinion(again) the absolute ugliest mustangs ever built. i can't honestly believe that they ever outsold the camaro in that era.
these new mustangs are just ******* sexy to me. everything about them. i've actually got a boss302 airdam, and splitter to install on my gt, but it's pissing me off that i have to remove the entire front fascia in order to do this.

SSCamaro99_3

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Individual lap times and total time over a 10 lap segment would. If one is harder to drive you will see less consistent lap times, especially as the tires and brakes fade. That would cut out the statistical noise.

1ltcap

it would be fairly interesting to compare the zl1 to an ss too. we know the zl will trash it, but it'd be interesting to see how it drives on a road course compared to a regular camaro. that would give us a definite answer as to the suspension.

SSCamaro99_3

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Flame suit on/

2010 Camaro SS Ring time 8:20
2012 Camaro ZL1 Ring time 7:41.27

I am going to reach way out for a limb, and say significantly better.

1ltcap

NAH.....i ain't gonna flame anyone on this subject.

i hadn't realized that they ran an ss over at the ring. i was more thinking since they're starting to run the zl at some tracks here, run them both. just as if they were comparing to the mustang. see if the suspension in the zl is that much better than the suspension in the ss, by getting these same guys opinions on the zl vs the ss. it'd be fairly interesting.

the zl's power could be the sole contributor to the faster ring time, as there's still plenty of rumors of the shelby running a bit quicker over there......i'd like to see a video though, in order to believe it.

evolve

Makes sense. I dont see this happening with mag drivers unfortunately.

CaptainDirtymax

so do like what Motor Trend did with their best drivers car segment a few years ago. they put Randy Pobst in the hot seat to get a real feel of what a pro driver thought of the cars.

firebird99

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No just there to remind guys like you that constantly try to make the ZL1 out as garbage that there's more to a car then straight line speed. Plus it's just stating the facts sorry if you don't like the outcome but it is what it is.

Sax1031

The interesting thing is that when Edmunds tested all the versions of the mustang a year or two ago they got nearly the same time out of a 2011 GT500 as they did the ZL1.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

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not mine and i owned one. it handled,braked excellent at that time and had descent power. i had a 5.7. it squeaked,rattled and fell apart quicker than i could fix it. it didnt help i beat the crap out of it but the paint was shitty too.


ill never own another.

-Ross-

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You must have forgot about power numbers, 1/4 mile numbers, available options and the FACT that the GT500 ran the fastest lap time during the above test.

firebird99

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What does that have to do with my sig? Are you really that jaded by the blue over that you cannot accept the ZL1 as a great car because contrary to your believes I've always spoke highly about the ZL1 and the GT500 so how does calling me out on my sig make me a fanboy?