Edmunds Track-Test - 2012 Camaro ZL1 vs 2013 Mustang GT500
06-28-2012, 10:39 AM
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On a side note the gap in 1/4 mile times is consistently half a second
06-28-2012, 05:42 PM
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Very apples to oranges comparison there, drop top gutless/buzzy sports car vs muscle car.
Both the GT500 and ZL1 are fast, powerful muscle cars, the Zl1 just drives more refined/better (according to the articles). So you still get a powerful muscle car that is also refined.
Where as with the 4th gen fbody vs S2000, the S2K is pretty slow regardless (yes, 14s @ 100 launching the car like you stole it is slow) - even though its only an 8mph difference, the Fbody has torque everywhere and doesn't have to be driven like you hate it to get good numbers out of it (whether that be in a strait line or on a track). If both cars had atleast similar character to them like the GT500/ZL1 it would be a different story.
I think what bothers me the most is that these magazine articles are using an unknown, subjective weighting system to determine the overall winner, but are passing it off like they were 100% objective about the whole thing. That's fine if they want to declare a winner based off of the fuzzy, warm feelings they get from the ZL1, but at least be honest that that's what you are doing.
06-28-2012, 06:28 PM
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You know what you are doing...
Very apples to oranges comparison there, drop top gutless/buzzy sports car vs muscle car.
Both the GT500 and ZL1 are fast, powerful muscle cars, the Zl1 just drives more refined/better (according to the articles). So you still get a powerful muscle car that is also refined.
Where as with the 4th gen fbody vs S2000, the S2K is pretty slow regardless (yes, 14s @ 100 launching the car like you stole it is slow) - even though its only an 8mph difference, the Fbody has torque everywhere and doesn't have to be driven like you hate it to get good numbers out of it (whether that be in a strait line or on a track). If both cars had atleast similar character to them like the GT500/ZL1 it would be a different story.
Very apples to oranges comparison there, drop top gutless/buzzy sports car vs muscle car.
Both the GT500 and ZL1 are fast, powerful muscle cars, the Zl1 just drives more refined/better (according to the articles). So you still get a powerful muscle car that is also refined.
Where as with the 4th gen fbody vs S2000, the S2K is pretty slow regardless (yes, 14s @ 100 launching the car like you stole it is slow) - even though its only an 8mph difference, the Fbody has torque everywhere and doesn't have to be driven like you hate it to get good numbers out of it (whether that be in a strait line or on a track). If both cars had atleast similar character to them like the GT500/ZL1 it would be a different story.
06-29-2012, 01:18 PM
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Very apples to oranges comparison there, drop top gutless/buzzy sports car vs muscle car.
Both the GT500 and ZL1 are fast, powerful muscle cars, the Zl1 just drives more refined/better (according to the articles). So you still get a powerful muscle car that is also refined.
Where as with the 4th gen fbody vs S2000, the S2K is pretty slow regardless (yes, 14s @ 100 launching the car like you stole it is slow) - even though its only an 8mph difference, the Fbody has torque everywhere and doesn't have to be driven like you hate it to get good numbers out of it (whether that be in a strait line or on a track). If both cars had atleast similar character to them like the GT500/ZL1 it would be a different story.
Im not rooting for either car (I couldn't care less, for that price Id buy a vette) but they are picking the car by the way its feels/drives vs the [similar] numbers it puts down while still having the muscle car character like the GT500.
Very apples to oranges comparison there, drop top gutless/buzzy sports car vs muscle car.
Both the GT500 and ZL1 are fast, powerful muscle cars, the Zl1 just drives more refined/better (according to the articles). So you still get a powerful muscle car that is also refined.
Where as with the 4th gen fbody vs S2000, the S2K is pretty slow regardless (yes, 14s @ 100 launching the car like you stole it is slow) - even though its only an 8mph difference, the Fbody has torque everywhere and doesn't have to be driven like you hate it to get good numbers out of it (whether that be in a strait line or on a track). If both cars had atleast similar character to them like the GT500/ZL1 it would be a different story.
Im not rooting for either car (I couldn't care less, for that price Id buy a vette) but they are picking the car by the way its feels/drives vs the [similar] numbers it puts down while still having the muscle car character like the GT500.
06-29-2012, 06:09 PM
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I intentionally exaggerated (slightly) the comparison to highlight the ridiculousness of the discussion. If this was a 2002 F-body v. 2005 Mustang comparison, nobody that is defending this comparison would agree that the Mustang is the better car (which it is) for the sole reason that it is a little slower. Closer than the GT500/ZL1, truthfully.
