ThisBlood147

Wrong. That's rear end GRIP at work. The Shelby's less optimal front to rear weight distribution ratio is made all the worse by not having enough rubber under the back end...all the while trying to plant nearly 100 more horses to the ground. This is one place where the ZL1's weight actually works in its favor. More weight over the backend = more composure in the corners. Then you throw in the magnetic suspension on top of that and this is what you get. The Shelby...once again...just isn't able to use as much of its power as the ZL1 can on the track. Has little to do with how rigid the chassis of either car is. I assure you both chassis are more than up to the task.

LS1LT1

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Actually, lots of people do.

HioSSilver

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The gt500 is on 15lb of boost. It's not gonna take much more and it's gonna need a alternative gas, the ZL has plenty of room to grow in the boost department. And it will make more power on the same amount of boost. When serious mods start to happen it's all Zl then. 400+ cubes and boost, The gt500 can't get there.
You guessed part of it.

You can tell by watching the cars that the Shelby is much less predictable. In a couple of spots in the vid is was pushing like a dump truck right into a snap loose situation. That's the chassis giving up. Tires could mask it for a while. But more than likely it would aggravate it once wear started.

Irunelevens

There will be GT500s in the 9s no problem with the stock blower. The shortblock can take over 1,000rwhp. LSA can't do that. And we all know how much you value abilities using stock parts.

HioSSilver

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There are pick-up truck ls shortblocks running around with 800+ whp on pump. What makes you think the lsa won't do it? How do you know that 5.8 is good for 1000hp? Do you have one? 03-04 termi's was suppose to be good for alot of power. I have one that blew up @ 458.

LS1LT1

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There already are.
Although the very first one to do it (Evolution Performance) has since blown their stock 2013 GT500's engine up after they hit 9.6.
Still damn impressive though.






Point taken.

Irunelevens

And there are '03-'04 Cobras with 800rwhp that are regularly driven. The 5.8 is a bigger 5.4, so there is no reason to believe that they won't at least handle as much power. Are you arguing that the cast LSA is stronger than the forged 5.8?

-Ross-

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What planet are you from?

BudRacing

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I think this was a more fair review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=FF-db7bX9LI

HioSSilver

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I'm arguing that the ls platform is stronger.You keep wanting to say how stout the ford is. I have a broken ford on my carport that made 458rwhp. When I got to looking it's not the only termi motor that has blown up with pretty mild mods.....in fact there is alot of them that has. Now we have a broken ford at a 9.6......well guess what sweety? It don't take 1000hp to run a 9.6.
Earth.....and the land of common sense.

kewlv8

So wrong, read up on the Shelby powerplant. LSA is not new, it is in the 2012 CTS-V. The Shelby 5.8 is a more free breathing variant of the 2012 5.4 GT500. In 2012, the forged 5.4 > LSA, stock for stock, mod for mod. How do you think the forged 5.8 will compare?

firebird99

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To my knowledge nobody has taken the 5.8 to a 1000whp yet and I know it's the same as the 5.4 but it's also running thinner cylinder walls. Ford is hoping their new coating will keep it from blowing apart and they better hope it does because a forged bottom end doesn't mean crap if the block splits and Chevy has already proved you don't need forged anything to run alot of power.
Please post a link because that would make them the fastest so far but I guess they don't want to brag since they blew the motor up going for it huh?

HioSSilver

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I know exactly what it is. It's a bigger 5.0 with forged internals. Ford did a great job on it. But mod for mod the bigger motor will win. And upping the boost on the ZL is gonna make a huge difference.

Also fyi.....I don't car what either makes on race gas. So putting a splash in one or the other is not in the conversation.

The lsa has been in the cts-v.....it gets to the 10's pretty slick in a bigger heavier car. Last time at the track I watched a stock auto CTS-v go a 12.1 on just a dr.....and out run the 5.4 gt 500.

gocartone

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Don't bother, he's just going to keep throwing the "I haven't seen it with my own two eyes" flag, along with pointing out more Terminators that "he's seen" blow up with under 500whp, then he's going to argue the 4.6 is basically the same as the 5.4, and then he's going to point out how many hundreds of stock truck blocks are making over 1000whp, etc, etc....you can't win arguing with nutswinging idiots.

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HioSSilver

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Yep.....and you can believe everything he says if you want and ride his. Why don't you go and make yourself busy swapping a mod motor in your vette? They're awesome and you need one.

remember Irunelevens has never touched the 13's.

ThisBlood147

So you're saying the Shelby's chassis is......flabby???

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HioSSilver

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I don't think it is flabby. But definitely not what the ZL1's is.

nanokpsi

To get a ZL1 over 700whp, you need every bolt on, all of the cooling, fuel as well as heads and cam. That is like 12-14k in parts.
A 2013 gt500 needs a pulley, intake, Throttlebody and headers to be over 700whp, and that is in 100 deg weather. Notice it is still only on 15.x lbs of boost so you could run an overdrive lower if you really what to spin it hard.

http://www.fordgt500.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16819

Also, the griggs suspension also VASTLY increases rear end grip with the torque arm.