Road and Track ZL1 vs GT500
#61
They are commenting on what you said about the 5.8 Trinity engine being a bigger 5.0 Coyote. It is not. The 5.0 Coyote only share bore spacing, deck height, rod length, and bellhousing patterns with the older modular engine. The 5.8 Trinity is based off of the tall deck 5.4 block in order to fit the 4.165 in stroke.
#62
How can you not see that you are off in your own world? Do you ignore all the F-body guys that are completely against what you are saying?? Almost all of even the hardcore GM nutswingers will admit that the GT500 is by far the superior car when it comes to going fast in a straight line, but apparently you are on a whole different level then those guys are.
#63
#64
How can you not see that you are off in your own world? Do you ignore all the F-body guys that are completely against what you are saying?? Almost all of even the hardcore GM nutswingers will admit that the GT500 is by far the superior car when it comes to going fast in a straight line, but apparently you are on a whole different level then those guys are.
It's still a modular ain't it. Be a greatly updated over that turd junk they use to sell.
#65
The new 6.2 shares bellhousing pattern with the older modulars, but little else. It has a much wider bore spacing 4.53 vs 3.937.
#66
The block casting is different in the 5.0 compared to the 4.6/5.4/5.8. Firing order and heads are changed as well on the 5.0. The 5.8 is a 5.4 with the iron liners pulled out, and a thin layer of material applied to the aluminum bores for protection in order to allow for the larger bore. The 5.8 is much more an evolution (and last iteration) of the original modular family. It is much more closely related to the 5.4 than the 5.0.
The new 6.2 shares bellhousing pattern with the older modulars, but little else. It has a much wider bore spacing 4.53 vs 3.937.
The new 6.2 shares bellhousing pattern with the older modulars, but little else. It has a much wider bore spacing 4.53 vs 3.937.
I guess a 6.2 could be considered a big block modular.
#67
That's the part I was talking about. Explain how a car that's down 100whp, traps ~10mph lower, is weighed down by an extra 200lbs, AND responds worse to mods due to a smaller supercharger/weaker engine is going to have an advantage mod for mod? The GT500 will go high 10s/low 11s on just a tire, it takes quite a bit of work to get the ZL1 down in that range just to catch up.
#68
I cant wait to see someone spray the **** out of a ZL1 to prove that it doesn't take alot to go fast just a tire and spray instead of having to run a cam and cnc"d heads since nobody makes a bigger blower yet.
#69
That's the part I was talking about. Explain how a car that's down 100whp, traps ~10mph lower, is weighed down by an extra 200lbs, AND responds worse to mods due to a smaller supercharger/weaker engine is going to have an advantage mod for mod? The GT500 will go high 10s/low 11s on just a tire, it takes quite a bit of work to get the ZL1 down in that range just to catch up.
#71
Hiossilver-It went 9's but not on pump gas. The crazy part is livernois said the guy who bought it is going to race it not on a drag strip but on a road course crazy huh? A road racer only a tire and race fuel swap away from 9's gotta love the new era of muscle cars...
#72
Because the 1st thing I would do is change the charger. It's to small from the get go. Besides that it's like I said earlier, you can easily make a 400+ci(even 427 or 440ci) ls motor with a appropriate sized charger is gonna make huge power. Stuff that in the really good but slightly heavy Camaro ZL chassis and it would be one incredible monster. Were not talking 10's here. It could do 9.5 or faster on pump. Hasn't someone already had a h/c ZL in the 9's?
I'm trying real hard to see where the ZL1 wins in the "mod for mod" department.
You keep digging a deeper hole everytime you post in this thread.
#73
Because the 1st thing I would do is change the charger. It's to small from the get go. Besides that it's like I said earlier, you can easily make a 400+ci(even 427 or 440ci) ls motor with a appropriate sized charger is gonna make huge power. Stuff that in the really good but slightly heavy Camaro ZL chassis and it would be one incredible monster. Were not talking 10's here. It could do 9.5 or faster on pump. Hasn't someone already had a h/c ZL in the 9's?
#74
So, you would buy a bigger blower that cost several thousand dollars and a GT500 owner would spend $1k on a pulley, tune and tires and still destroy you.
I'm trying real hard to see where the ZL1 wins in the "mod for mod" department.
You keep digging a deeper hole everytime you post in this thread.
I'm trying real hard to see where the ZL1 wins in the "mod for mod" department.
You keep digging a deeper hole everytime you post in this thread.
So, more mods to the ZL1 than the GT500 is going to eventually make it the faster car? NO WAY! They did go 9s at 140+mph on a H/C ZL1 with full bolt ons, compared to the GT500 running the same times on full bolt ons with stock heads and cams. So, again, it took more mods for the ZL1 just to match the GT500. How again is it that the ZL1 the faster car mod for mod??
#75
even i cant see a zl1 having an advantage over a 2013 GT500. that thing is a monster. i mean yes im sure theyll be some zl1s running some good times but i see gt500s running faster.
#76
So, you would buy a bigger blower that cost several thousand dollars and a GT500 owner would spend $1k on a pulley, tune and tires and still destroy you.
I'm trying real hard to see where the ZL1 wins in the "mod for mod" department.
You keep digging a deeper hole everytime you post in this thread.
I'm trying real hard to see where the ZL1 wins in the "mod for mod" department.
You keep digging a deeper hole everytime you post in this thread.
Now don't get me wrong I know the GT500 is a beast but at the same time when it comes down to dollar for dollar a blower swap would put them to about the same money but the ZL1 would problably make more power.
#77
So if you compare the cost of the ZL1+bigger blower it is about the same as a equally equipped GT500 no? Is there not a roughly 6-8000 dollar price difference between the two?
Now don't get me wrong I know the GT500 is a beast but at the same time when it comes down to dollar for dollar a blower swap would put them to about the same money but the ZL1 would problably make more power.
Now don't get me wrong I know the GT500 is a beast but at the same time when it comes down to dollar for dollar a blower swap would put them to about the same money but the ZL1 would problably make more power.
#78
So if you compare the cost of the ZL1+bigger blower it is about the same as a equally equipped GT500 no? Is there not a roughly 6-8000 dollar price difference between the two?
Now don't get me wrong I know the GT500 is a beast but at the same time when it comes down to dollar for dollar a blower swap would put them to about the same money but the ZL1 would problably make more power.
Now don't get me wrong I know the GT500 is a beast but at the same time when it comes down to dollar for dollar a blower swap would put them to about the same money but the ZL1 would problably make more power.
#79
So, more mods to the ZL1 than the GT500 is going to eventually make it the faster car? NO WAY! They did go 9s at 140+mph on a H/C ZL1 with full bolt ons, compared to the GT500 running the same times on full bolt ons with stock heads and cams. So, again, it took more mods for the ZL1 just to match the GT500. How again is it that the ZL1 the faster car mod for mod??
At the end of the day it's all going to come down to who's pockets are deeper.
#80
Some people want to go fast and still be able to handle sorta like when guys go from a fbody to a vette wait didn't you do that? You of all people should be able to appreciate a car that can not only go fast but hug the corners at the same time.