ZL1 outruns GT500 at VIR: Lightning Lap 2013
01-08-2013, 02:48 AM
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One of them did, I read which one it was but I don't want to repeat who because I don't know it to be fact, just what I read off the internet.
My hats off to GM, they have sold as many 5th Gens as they can make and have made them handle exceptionally well, even when straddled with so much weight.
My hats off to GM, they have sold as many 5th Gens as they can make and have made them handle exceptionally well, even when straddled with so much weight.
01-08-2013, 02:52 AM
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[QUOTE=GotHemi?;17039618] Like I said before your going to do everything you can to bash the zl1 and call anyone who likes it a fan boy. I guess as long as we keep feeding you your going to continue to troll.
The ZL handles much better, that means it makes time threw the corners. The GT500 makes time down the straights. This means the ZL handles better no matter what the lap times say. How do you morons think the 1LE got within 9 tenths with 236 less hp????
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Hmmm care to explain how it was so close to the ZL1 down 150hp? This was with a missed shift so it would have been even closer to the ZL1's time with no mistakes. Im guessing these two were actually tested on the same day so it makes it much more apples to apples than the GT500 comparison. They are both the same chassis, similiar suspension, but the ZL1 has more grip and a lot more hp.
My guess it's because the ZL1 isnt making advertised hp due to inefficient cooling.
Also youre a nut case if you honestly think the LSA can consistently make more power than a 5.4 or 5.8. Just because ONE failed at a certain power level doesnt me all will. Tunes can be off. Malfunctions happen.
By your logic they can have 100's of 5.4/5.8's @ 900+ rwhp but if ONE fails @ 900 and that means ALL will fail, nevermind the 100's that are well over that mark.
If ONE (LS)A makes 900rwhp yet 100's have let go @ 800rwhp that means they all will make 900rwhp all day every day, nevermind the 100's that failed @ 800.
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Hmmm care to explain how it was so close to the ZL1 down 150hp? This was with a missed shift so it would have been even closer to the ZL1's time with no mistakes. Im guessing these two were actually tested on the same day so it makes it much more apples to apples than the GT500 comparison. They are both the same chassis, similiar suspension, but the ZL1 has more grip and a lot more hp.
My guess it's because the ZL1 isnt making advertised hp due to inefficient cooling.
Also youre a nut case if you honestly think the LSA can consistently make more power than a 5.4 or 5.8. Just because ONE failed at a certain power level doesnt me all will. Tunes can be off. Malfunctions happen.
By your logic they can have 100's of 5.4/5.8's @ 900+ rwhp but if ONE fails @ 900 and that means ALL will fail, nevermind the 100's that are well over that mark.
If ONE (LS)A makes 900rwhp yet 100's have let go @ 800rwhp that means they all will make 900rwhp all day every day, nevermind the 100's that failed @ 800.
01-08-2013, 07:39 AM
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GT 500's have been in the 9's without nitrous, that particular one had a nitrous malfunction and that's what blew it up.
You are one to say someone makes dumb *** comments. Everybody on here thinks you are a joke with the ignorant excuses that you get hung up on. I would hate to walk through life with blinders on.
You are one to say someone makes dumb *** comments. Everybody on here thinks you are a joke with the ignorant excuses that you get hung up on. I would hate to walk through life with blinders on.
Apparently they're plenty strong. Now run along to your ford sight and play with the other little boys.
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Hmmm care to explain how it was so close to the ZL1 down 150hp? This was with a missed shift so it would have been even closer to the ZL1's time with no mistakes. Im guessing these two were actually tested on the same day so it makes it much more apples to apples than the GT500 comparison. They are both the same chassis, similiar suspension, but the ZL1 has more grip and a lot more hp.
My guess it's because the ZL1 isnt making advertised hp due to inefficient cooling.
Also youre a nut case if you honestly think the LSA can consistently make more power than a 5.4 or 5.8. Just because ONE failed at a certain power level doesnt me all will. Tunes can be off. Malfunctions happen.
By your logic they can have 100's of 5.4/5.8's @ 900+ rwhp but if ONE fails @ 900 and that means ALL will fail, nevermind the 100's that are well over that mark.
If ONE (LS)A makes 900rwhp yet 100's have let go @ 800rwhp that means they all will make 900rwhp all day every day, nevermind the 100's that failed @ 800.
Hmmm care to explain how it was so close to the ZL1 down 150hp? This was with a missed shift so it would have been even closer to the ZL1's time with no mistakes. Im guessing these two were actually tested on the same day so it makes it much more apples to apples than the GT500 comparison. They are both the same chassis, similiar suspension, but the ZL1 has more grip and a lot more hp.
My guess it's because the ZL1 isnt making advertised hp due to inefficient cooling.
Also youre a nut case if you honestly think the LSA can consistently make more power than a 5.4 or 5.8. Just because ONE failed at a certain power level doesnt me all will. Tunes can be off. Malfunctions happen.
By your logic they can have 100's of 5.4/5.8's @ 900+ rwhp but if ONE fails @ 900 and that means ALL will fail, nevermind the 100's that are well over that mark.
If ONE (LS)A makes 900rwhp yet 100's have let go @ 800rwhp that means they all will make 900rwhp all day every day, nevermind the 100's that failed @ 800.
I think Ford did a great job with the 13 GT500's. The 500's before was turds for their power. The ZL seems to off a bit to me in the acceleration department compared to the CTS-v's. I woulda thought in would've been hands down quicker. But it looks like they got the handling right.
01-08-2013, 05:16 PM
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GT 500's have been in the 9's without nitrous, that particular one had a nitrous malfunction and that's what blew it up.
You are one to say someone makes dumb *** comments. Everybody on here thinks you are a joke with the ignorant excuses that you get hung up on. I would hate to walk through life with blinders on.
You are one to say someone makes dumb *** comments. Everybody on here thinks you are a joke with the ignorant excuses that you get hung up on. I would hate to walk through life with blinders on.
One of them did, I read which one it was but I don't want to repeat who because I don't know it to be fact, just what I read off the internet.
My hats off to GM, they have sold as many 5th Gens as they can make and have made them handle exceptionally well, even when straddled with so much weight.
My hats off to GM, they have sold as many 5th Gens as they can make and have made them handle exceptionally well, even when straddled with so much weight.
01-08-2013, 05:33 PM
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So you join this thread just to laugh at the fan boys when in all reality your one of the fan boys in this thread. Then once you get called out on your misinformation you rebuttal with a idk and throw out a complement. Do yourself a favor and bow out like the other ford swingers.
01-08-2013, 05:37 PM
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I must say I was one to hate the zl1. I mean it look like a nice car with a good setup but couldn't get pass the part a sc ls motor can't trap higher than 120+ down the strip. I had a chance to see one up close and see it run and change my thoughts completely. Car has a lot of potential and handles great for a big car. Both cars are bad *** and comes down to which one is better for the buyers needs.
01-08-2013, 08:55 PM
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I must say I was one to hate the zl1. I mean it look like a nice car with a good setup but couldn't get pass the part a sc ls motor can't trap higher than 120+ down the strip. I had a chance to see one up close and see it run and change my thoughts completely. Car has a lot of potential and handles great for a big car. Both cars are bad *** and comes down to which one is better for the buyers needs.
01-08-2013, 09:03 PM
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01-08-2013, 09:30 PM
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No matter what et the zl1 manages to get its mph will always be lower stock vs stock and people will slam it based on that alone. The car is able to use its power better then gt500 it just lacks the raw power to pull it along on the roll like the gt500 so it comes down to chassis(zl1) vs engine(gt500).
01-08-2013, 10:28 PM
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i guess youre right. I didnt look at the peak MPH of the two and the ZL1 is a bunch faster. What i dont get it how the LFA had almost 3mph on the Shelby. I know for a fact that car doesnt trap as high as the GT500. I guess its more to it than that when racing on a road course...
01-08-2013, 10:30 PM
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Now strap the ZL1's tires to the Shelby and im pretty confident the car would lap faster than the ZL1 every time, but if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.
Bottom line. Im a drag racing guy just like 90% of everyone else. The GT500 handles well enough that i would never push its handling limits. If i had the dough im taking that pure *** raping MPH.
01-08-2013, 11:06 PM
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Im willing to bet if the rumor of them being tested on different days with different drivers is true that the GT500 would have been as fast if not faster than the ZL1. Just like in all the other tests. I should say it could have still been slower but no where near 3 seconds.
Now strap the ZL1's tires to the Shelby and im pretty confident the car would lap faster than the ZL1 every time, but if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.
Bottom line. Im a drag racing guy just like 90% of everyone else. The GT500 handles well enough that i would never push its handling limits. If i had the dough im taking that pure *** raping MPH.
Now strap the ZL1's tires to the Shelby and im pretty confident the car would lap faster than the ZL1 every time, but if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.
Bottom line. Im a drag racing guy just like 90% of everyone else. The GT500 handles well enough that i would never push its handling limits. If i had the dough im taking that pure *** raping MPH.
01-08-2013, 11:17 PM
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i guess youre right. I didnt look at the peak MPH of the two and the ZL1 is a bunch faster. What i dont get it how the LFA had almost 3mph on the Shelby. I know for a fact that car doesnt trap as high as the GT500. I guess its more to it than that when racing on a road course...
The Shelby adds more speed down the straight, but it stared so much slower, it can't catch up.
01-08-2013, 11:44 PM
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Im willing to bet if the rumor of them being tested on different days with different drivers is true that the GT500 would have been as fast if not faster than the ZL1. Just like in all the other tests. I should say it could have still been slower but no where near 3 seconds.
I have the mag and I think they did the test over a couple days. But that don't mean ****. The track could get faster on the second day....coming from a RR background the cars usually like a little rubber down.
Now strap the ZL1's tires to the Shelby and im pretty confident the car would lap faster than the ZL1 every time, but if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.
Bottom line. Im a drag racing guy just like 90% of everyone else. The GT500 handles well enough that i would never push its handling limits. If i had the dough im taking that pure *** raping MPH.
I have the mag and I think they did the test over a couple days. But that don't mean ****. The track could get faster on the second day....coming from a RR background the cars usually like a little rubber down.
Now strap the ZL1's tires to the Shelby and im pretty confident the car would lap faster than the ZL1 every time, but if my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.
Bottom line. Im a drag racing guy just like 90% of everyone else. The GT500 handles well enough that i would never push its handling limits. If i had the dough im taking that pure *** raping MPH.
Looks like Pheonix summed it up pretty well for ya. This it what happens for those of you who think the GT500 is just gonna blast around everybody goin down the straights.
01-09-2013, 12:10 AM
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LoL, then you clown me for being serious and not trolling, when I gave the ZL1 and 1LE props....ok.
01-09-2013, 04:37 AM
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With 5 grand im not even sure if the 113mph (summer time) ZL1 would be able to trap 130 to beat a STOCK GT500.(roll races) You damn sure cant do full bolt on's and a head/cam swap for 5 grand. Bolt on's alone (no nitrous) isnt getting you there for damn sure. Only way i see it happening is bolt on's and nitrous. Thats pretty damn modded to be able to beat a stock ****** shelby. If thats something you would brag about you got the wrong hobby. lol
Its been said that the day the Shelby's class was tested they were dealing with rain and a slick track. I highly doubt it was better. Either way its ******* stupid to test all these cars on different days with different drivers. I should say its stupid for ppl to take this **** as gospel knowing this.
Edit:
GT500 base MSRP $54,200
ZL1 base MSRP $56,550
So that would leave the GT500 buyer with $2350 to mod. That should get him a tune,pulley,and basic nitrous kit. Should be at least a 140mph car vs the 113-118mph ZL1. LMAO Oh how i love thinking like Hio. Its a blast!
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01-09-2013, 07:39 AM
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It's mattered to me. I like a good handling car.
I don't know what the **** storm is here. The gt500 is faster in a straight line by a wide margin. The ZL1 out handles it by a wide margin. On a road coarse the only thing that keeps a Gt500 near it on some tracks is it's acceleration. On tighter technical coarses like VIR it gets it's *** stomped.
When mods start the superior chassis of the ZL1 will be even more of a benefit for all round performance. If any of you don't think the lsa is not just as, if not more capable than the 5.8.....then you need to lay the crack pipe down.
I don't know what the **** storm is here. The gt500 is faster in a straight line by a wide margin. The ZL1 out handles it by a wide margin. On a road coarse the only thing that keeps a Gt500 near it on some tracks is it's acceleration. On tighter technical coarses like VIR it gets it's *** stomped.
When mods start the superior chassis of the ZL1 will be even more of a benefit for all round performance. If any of you don't think the lsa is not just as, if not more capable than the 5.8.....then you need to lay the crack pipe down.
you sure like to put words in folks comments that they didn't say, and debate your words like it's a argument or something. You argue with yourself.
i dont see a **** storm anywhere. 1LE is a better track car.
it's(1LE) the same as a SS/premium GT at the track WE all go to...Maybe .1 faster in the 1/4..drag strip
slower than a base brembo 3.73 GT at the only kind of track i've ever raced a car at.
You like a good handling car? well from 1982-2004 i could identify with your words. I never like the mustang handling and preferred the camaro/firebird. they are fun to drive. HOWEVER....from 2005-2013 the handling difference is negligable and unles you are NOW a roadcourse driving pro...(u seem to be everything else), you, me, 350 million others can't wring out the difference.
It's just like 2011 all over again. Ford fanboi's have their GT that kills the SS, now the 1LE kills thw GT on a road course and Camaro Fanboi's are getting back...GT fanboi's are defensive.
01-09-2013, 07:42 AM
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Makes sense.
A base model GT500 is actually CHEAPER than the ZL1. What the hell would i get the track pack and other handling bullshit for? So you're wrong.
With 5 grand im not even sure if the 113mph (summer time) ZL1 would be able to trap 130 to beat a STOCK GT500.(roll races) You damn sure cant do full bolt on's and a head/cam swap for 5 grand. Bolt on's alone (no nitrous) isnt getting you there for damn sure. Only way i see it happening is bolt on's and nitrous. Thats pretty damn modded to be able to beat a stock ****** shelby. If thats something you would brag about you got the wrong hobby. lol
Its been said that the day the Shelby's class was tested they were dealing with rain and a slick track. I highly doubt it was better. Either way its ******* stupid to test all these cars on different days with different drivers. I should say its stupid for ppl to take this **** as gospel knowing this.
Edit:
GT500 base MSRP $54,200
ZL1 base MSRP $56,550
So that would leave the GT500 buyer with $2350 to mod. That should get him a tune,pulley,and basic nitrous kit. Should be at least a 140mph car vs the 113-118mph ZL1. LMAO Oh how i love thinking like Hio. Its a blast!
A base model GT500 is actually CHEAPER than the ZL1. What the hell would i get the track pack and other handling bullshit for? So you're wrong.
With 5 grand im not even sure if the 113mph (summer time) ZL1 would be able to trap 130 to beat a STOCK GT500.(roll races) You damn sure cant do full bolt on's and a head/cam swap for 5 grand. Bolt on's alone (no nitrous) isnt getting you there for damn sure. Only way i see it happening is bolt on's and nitrous. Thats pretty damn modded to be able to beat a stock ****** shelby. If thats something you would brag about you got the wrong hobby. lol
Its been said that the day the Shelby's class was tested they were dealing with rain and a slick track. I highly doubt it was better. Either way its ******* stupid to test all these cars on different days with different drivers. I should say its stupid for ppl to take this **** as gospel knowing this.
Edit:
GT500 base MSRP $54,200
ZL1 base MSRP $56,550
So that would leave the GT500 buyer with $2350 to mod. That should get him a tune,pulley,and basic nitrous kit. Should be at least a 140mph car vs the 113-118mph ZL1. LMAO Oh how i love thinking like Hio. Its a blast!
01-09-2013, 07:45 AM
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Makes sense.
A base model GT500 is actually CHEAPER than the ZL1. What the hell would i get the track pack and other handling bullshit for? So you're wrong.
With 5 grand im not even sure if the 113mph (summer time) ZL1 would be able to trap 130 to beat a STOCK GT500.(roll races) You damn sure cant do full bolt on's and a head/cam swap for 5 grand. Bolt on's alone (no nitrous) isnt getting you there for damn sure. Only way i see it happening is bolt on's and nitrous. Thats pretty damn modded to be able to beat a stock ****** shelby. If thats something you would brag about you got the wrong hobby. lol
Its been said that the day the Shelby's class was tested they were dealing with rain and a slick track. I highly doubt it was better. Either way its ******* stupid to test all these cars on different days with different drivers. I should say its stupid for ppl to take this **** as gospel knowing this.
Edit:
GT500 base MSRP $54,200
ZL1 base MSRP $56,550
So that would leave the GT500 buyer with $2350 to mod. That should get him a tune,pulley,and basic nitrous kit. Should be at least a 140mph car vs the 113-118mph ZL1. LMAO Oh how i love thinking like Hio. Its a blast!
A base model GT500 is actually CHEAPER than the ZL1. What the hell would i get the track pack and other handling bullshit for? So you're wrong.
With 5 grand im not even sure if the 113mph (summer time) ZL1 would be able to trap 130 to beat a STOCK GT500.(roll races) You damn sure cant do full bolt on's and a head/cam swap for 5 grand. Bolt on's alone (no nitrous) isnt getting you there for damn sure. Only way i see it happening is bolt on's and nitrous. Thats pretty damn modded to be able to beat a stock ****** shelby. If thats something you would brag about you got the wrong hobby. lol
Its been said that the day the Shelby's class was tested they were dealing with rain and a slick track. I highly doubt it was better. Either way its ******* stupid to test all these cars on different days with different drivers. I should say its stupid for ppl to take this **** as gospel knowing this.
Edit:
GT500 base MSRP $54,200
ZL1 base MSRP $56,550
So that would leave the GT500 buyer with $2350 to mod. That should get him a tune,pulley,and basic nitrous kit. Should be at least a 140mph car vs the 113-118mph ZL1. LMAO Oh how i love thinking like Hio. Its a blast!
you are a fanboi...your opinion doesnt matter lol.
you sure like to put words in folks comments that they didn't say, and debate your words like it's a argument or something. You argue with yourself.
I never do that....when I do it's in red just like this.
i dont see a **** storm anywhere. 1LE is a better track car.
it's(1LE) the same as a SS/premium GT at the track WE all go to...Maybe .1 faster in the 1/4..drag strip
slower than a base brembo 3.73 GT at the only kind of track i've ever raced a car at.
You like a good handling car? well from 1982-2004 i could identify with your words. I never like the mustang handling and preferred the camaro/firebird. they are fun to drive. HOWEVER....from 2005-2013 the handling difference is negligable and unles you are NOW a roadcourse driving pro...(u seem to be everything else), you, me, 350 million others can't wring out the difference.
It's just like 2011 all over again. Ford fanboi's have their GT that kills the SS, now the 1LE kills thw GT on a road course and Camaro Fanboi's are getting back...GT fanboi's are defensive.
you sure like to put words in folks comments that they didn't say, and debate your words like it's a argument or something. You argue with yourself.
I never do that....when I do it's in red just like this.
i dont see a **** storm anywhere. 1LE is a better track car.
it's(1LE) the same as a SS/premium GT at the track WE all go to...Maybe .1 faster in the 1/4..drag strip
slower than a base brembo 3.73 GT at the only kind of track i've ever raced a car at.
You like a good handling car? well from 1982-2004 i could identify with your words. I never like the mustang handling and preferred the camaro/firebird. they are fun to drive. HOWEVER....from 2005-2013 the handling difference is negligable and unles you are NOW a roadcourse driving pro...(u seem to be everything else), you, me, 350 million others can't wring out the difference.
It's just like 2011 all over again. Ford fanboi's have their GT that kills the SS, now the 1LE kills thw GT on a road course and Camaro Fanboi's are getting back...GT fanboi's are defensive.