vmapper

iTrader: (8)

wow... long time for pics considering you got them already.
what are you waiting for?

JET-HOT

Nothing set in stone at the moment but working on it! I will keep you updated!

JET-HOT

Our coatings are very durable and sacrificial! They will withstand the expansion and contraction with ease. Just as an example we coat inside and out of Flex tubes on a normal basis without issue. The coating (depending on the option chosen) will not incur damage until the part is bent almost 180°.

04 cts-V

I'd love to know why this is, is this opinion based upon location or personal preference? I ran uncoated pacesetters in my Camaro for almost three years and never once had a leak, or malfunction with the headers, they werent the greatest looking, but nothing that an otherwise clean engine bay with vette fuel rail covers couldnt distract the eye from...

itsslow98

iTrader: (18)

and how many miles did you log on the camaro, drive it in rain or any salt? Ive seen personally multiple fbodies with uncoated headers barely last a year on a daily driver. I mean chunks missing out of the headers.

-T-

iTrader: (2)

I dont understand all the haters! How many here would jump on a differential for 75% off not knowing how long it would last if you still had the original? I imagine at least 10 in a group buy. There are people paying $2K for a differential hoping it is the fix for our cars. But half of the people posting in this thread are bashing the first person to be the trial runner on some headers that may turn out to be a great buy. The guy is trying to do us all a favor and put them on his car and give feedback on fitment, reliability and durability. He didnt spend your 400 dollars. He spent his own money. Leave it alone.

Cant wait for the feedback Z28. Hope it works out for US V OWNERS!

AshrDashr

Looking forward to the feedback also, I will be in the market for some headers when I either get mine back or get a new one.

raven154

iTrader: (14)

Do you guys not realize that pacesetter is not the first mild steel header for the V? The original TPiS headers are mild steel. They are however coated with some type of coating. I had them and they held up well. I sold them to a guy when I went FI and bought the larger 1 7/8" Kooks but I have seen them around and they still look very nice.

04 cts-V

45000 miles, before i sold it, and i live in tampa, salt... ehh theres probably a good bit in the air, and there is no way to daily drive a car in florida and not have it see a fair share of torrential afternoon down poors, so yes the car seen weather....

So by your reply i assume you are speaking of environmental issues, i will agree to an extent, depending on your location, these may not be ideal for any of the more winter prone areas, but they were fine in the south, and the desert areas, obviously california is emissions friendly, so it may not be an option, however just because it is mild steel doesnt mean that it will be all bad

j_dover

iTrader: (18)

ive had a few sets of pacesetter's and like em

deedubb

iTrader: (9)

The haters are the purists and fan boys. They have only heard or seen the bad apples and base their opinions on them. Truth is, there is not a single reported pacesetter header on a V as of yet and until then, and with some long term feedback, opinions don't really mean ****. There are bad experiences with every product on the planet. These fanboys won't put anything but gold on their V's. Pretty silly if you ask me. If I had been as picky and finneky with my parts, I'd still be way behind everyone in mods. So in closing, to the fanboys, keep saving up your pennies for your gold dipped parts....in the mean time, i'll be miles ahead of you and your mods.

/end mike nice rant.


Edit: And it's plain stupid if you put uncoated mild steel headers (or any part at that) on your car and don't expect problems later on.

itsslow98

iTrader: (18)

Well Ill agree to disagree with you 04-ctsv. Weve all had personal experiences and I know mine were not by any means good with uncoated headers.

Im all about saving money and love the fact pacesetter came out, i could never justify the money on Kooks/B&B. But there is a point to me where its not worth skimping and its saving 100 bucks off something that is already 500 bucks less then what i would have had to pay for Kooks.

TriGuy

iTrader: (1)

EXACTLY!! I fully agree. These headers are still extremely cheap even with the coating on them so why not get them with the coating. Save what, $100 or so just to have to possibly replace them due to corrosion or have to spend money on other stuff in the engine to cover the back looking headers...? Not worth the $100 or so savings in the long run. I am very excited to see how these will look on a V. I too could not justify spending that kind of money on Kooks or B&B.

big reg

iTrader: (28)

I will never own Kooks or B&B headers. It is not about being able to afford them as if you search my previous posts I have bought and sold CCW wheels, TT kits and Procharger kits for my prev F-body. It is all about the fact that 1300 before install is a lot to fork out for 15 hp. I plan on keeping the stock manifolds for now with a Magnaflow C/B, LPE CAI, UDP and a Thunder racing Cheater v.3 cam which is made to run on stock manifolds to keep my warranty as it is a sleeper cam on a 117 lsa.

I had a set of coated Pacesetters at one point on my F-body. I had no problems with them. If the fitment and gains are good with them, I may purchase a set for the V. Time will tell.

04 cts-V

I think his intent was that after urchasing the pacesetters and having them coated it would only be like 100$ less than what some of the other brands cost, so why buy the pacesetter.. But I may be reading into it too much.

Point is any one part could be a lemon, just look at stock cars on a dyno, some are dyno queens some are not, all same parts but cars are just funny like that.

Myself I won't be doing longtibes again cause I want my Cadillac to remain somewhat of what makes it a luxury vehicle, and I will be going with random tech cats to replace the stock restrictions, to me that is currently the best compromise of both worlds to suit my desires

oshia86

Pacesetters are cheap because they are not stainless. Will usually make less power than a brand like Kooks or ARH. You get what you pay for. They are the only real budget header for the GTO's. If you live in the right area, or the car doesn't see harsh weather, they will be fine for a few years. Salt and daily driving though will take its toll on them.

deedubb

iTrader: (9)

Why will they make less power than said brands?

SkullV

iTrader: (11)

I don't know anything about it, and I am all for some cheaper mods for our cars, but I do know that Kooks makes a valiant effort at equal length headers and these Pacesetters do not.

oshia86

Take a look at the merge collectors. I am a regular at ls1gto.com. Lots of test have been done there. The tubes are also a little longer as well.

Kooks = merge spike
Pacesetters = no spike

The difference isn't a lot. But it's there. 5-7 hp or so.

oshia86

Oh, this is for the GTO version, I am not gonna say that I know the specifics of the cts-v set. I don't imagine they would be much different though.