Advice on Lingenfelter conversion please
02-15-2011, 03:45 PM
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i looked into doing a LPE TVS1900 package as well. After talking with serval local shops close to my area (DFW), i was told the $11,000 that package is advertised as costing is mainly more the name. My shop here is DFW said they can do the exact samething (minus the Lingenfelter FRCs) for around $8,000 to $8,500. And then told me if I really wanted the FRCs, they would get me some metal covers. If you shop around, you will find that with LPE, you are paying for the name. Just like most tuning companies that are out there, they will bloat there prices because of the letters that comes with with the build. HPE and D3 are the the same way. IMO, the only difference between D3 and HPE/LPE is that D3 is a Cadillac Speciality shope. Where as HPE/LPE are engine platform shops.
And you didnt buy something that has (or near) the same things as a V2. V2 was a much more planned platform and has a lot better interior. The fastest V1s i have ever heard about are running in the mid to low 11s with built rears and 800+ hp at the wheels. With the V2, do an pulley, intake, tune, and DRs and you will have a low 11 high 10 car that gives the V1 400 pounds of weight. If you have ever sat in or been near a V2, it make almost every V1 look like a pile a dog **** (IMO).
The more I look at the V1, the more I have realized that it will never be able to do what I wanted it to do. Which is why I will be ditching the V1 in the future and picking myself up something that is really fast. Like a C6Z06...
Edit: But its your money...if it makes you happy, send it any way you please.
And you didnt buy something that has (or near) the same things as a V2. V2 was a much more planned platform and has a lot better interior. The fastest V1s i have ever heard about are running in the mid to low 11s with built rears and 800+ hp at the wheels. With the V2, do an pulley, intake, tune, and DRs and you will have a low 11 high 10 car that gives the V1 400 pounds of weight. If you have ever sat in or been near a V2, it make almost every V1 look like a pile a dog **** (IMO).
The more I look at the V1, the more I have realized that it will never be able to do what I wanted it to do. Which is why I will be ditching the V1 in the future and picking myself up something that is really fast. Like a C6Z06...
Edit: But its your money...if it makes you happy, send it any way you please.
02-15-2011, 05:16 PM
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Like Dom already said, you're going to be at 37k with the blower so why not pay the extra 5k and just get a used V2? Just a much better all around car. Even for a full custom setup you shouldn't be paying over 9k, and the name isn't going to add 2k to the sale price. Has anyone looked at the vehicles they're trying to sell on there website? A twin turbo 02 ZO6 only making 550hp for 42k?
02-15-2011, 06:26 PM
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ya, IMO I wouldn't do it, I would just save up more and get the V2, there is a lot more to the V2 than just the power, the overall feel of the car, not to mention the suspension and interior. V1 would never be able to touch it for what you could buy a used one for.
02-15-2011, 07:20 PM
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Spent some time with them on the phone today-I'm impressed. If I was doing this work tomorrow ECS would be # 1 choice. They have done multiple 1900 mounts on CTS-Vs, "modification is to the cowl area and minimal." Now that's what the customer likes to hear! Several others have sent me quotes, all offering the smaller and older 1200 model. Lingenfelter is the only other manufacturer so far to start off with the 1900 when quoting the job. Why would anyone want to spend that kind of money and end up with a unit from 5 years ago? they're just pushing the 1200 because they are likely getting them real cheap and they're easy to bolt up. I still remain sort of confused about the header question. East Coast says "gotta do it," while Lingenfelter feels not that important. I think it may be wise to save the 2 grand that the headers would cost-can always add them later. Yeah-2 K after all is said and done and most shops are all about in the same neighborhood on this.
02-15-2011, 07:21 PM
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for instance...
the sale price of my V in March of 2007 was a hair over 56k. 3 years and 32,000 miles, i bought it for 27,400. more the 50% decline in value in three years.
some 2009s are still going for over 50k. with some of the higher mileage ones for for low to mid 40s.
if you plan of driving that car, then just because is says LPE on it will not help you sell it anymore. if you plan on having it as a show car, then it will hold a little. a serious car collect will not want a LPE CTS-V with 100,000 miles on the clock. they will want it with under 10k, but ideally under 5k miles. (IMO)
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Spent some time with them on the phone today-I'm impressed. If I was doing this work tomorrow ECS would be # 1 choice. They have done multiple 1900 mounts on CTS-Vs, "modification is to the cowl area and minimal." Now that's what the customer likes to hear! Several others have sent me quotes, all offering the smaller and older 1200 model. Lingenfelter is the only other manufacturer so far to start off with the 1900 when quoting the job. Why would anyone want to spend that kind of money and end up with a unit from 5 years ago? they're just pushing the 1200 because they are likely getting them real cheap and they're easy to bolt up. I still remain sort of confused about the header question. East Coast says "gotta do it," while Lingenfelter feels not that important. I think it may be wise to save the 2 grand that the headers would cost-can always add them later. Yeah-2 K after all is said and done and most shops are all about in the same neighborhood on this.
the other thing you will run into with LPE is with there warranty, you have to get the work do by them. if you do anything else to the car after they have worked on. you warranty through them is gone.
not trying be a debbie downer, but i have a huge problem with LPE the more i talk to them and talked to my local shops.
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02-15-2011, 07:44 PM
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Buy the rebuilt MP112 listed on the other site for 3500 and have your local shop install it. Take the extra cash and use it for other mods. There is no way the 119 is that kind of extra cash. By the time you spend 11k on the LPE mods you could have bought a used V2 for a couple grand more.
02-15-2011, 09:59 PM
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Bought said V1 with 3800 miles (AKA: BRAND NEW) for 26- Even if I go with Lingenfleter for 11Gs, I'm still in a brand new ride pushing 500 RWHP for WAY under 40 Gs. Still plenty of room left to buy other necessities, like axle hop fixes, UUC shifter, et cetera. Already got the house (nuthin left to fix, all been done over last 10 years) another daily driver (07 Camry with 4 thou in audio equipment, my other "passion") and a '99 Ducati ST-4 minto with 11,000 miles. I see the occasional V2 in the mid to high 40's, but usually with some miles. Anything I would consider has consistently been over 50 K. So, I think I'm right were I need to be with this "pile of ****" CTS-V Gen I. Turned 57 yesterday, put one kid through 6 years of private schools and have a 14 year old who deserves the same treatment. I say: keep the toys reasonable, spread the $$ around evenly and don't go too crazy on any one thing-that way I've been able to keep adding to the list. Actually had to build a brand new garage last year to hold everything! More theories on cars, bikes, stereo systems, and life are availible...
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02-15-2011, 10:31 PM
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Bought said V1 with 3800 miles (AKA: BRAND NEW) for 26- Even if I go with Lingenfleter for 11Gs, I'm still in a brand new ride pushing 500 RWHP for WAY under 40 Gs. Still plenty of room left to buy other necessities, like axle hop fixes, UUC shifter, et cetera. Already got the house (nuthin left to fix, all been done over last 10 years) another daily driver (07 Camry with 4 thou in audio equipment, my other "passion") and a '99 Ducati ST-4 minto with 11,000 miles. I see the occasional V2 in the mid to high 40's, but usually with some miles. Anything I would consider has consistently been over 50 K. So, I think I'm right were I need to be with this "pile of ****" CTS-V Gen I. Turned 57 yesterday, put one kid through 6 years of private schools and have a 14 year old who deserves the same treatment. I say: keep the toys reasonable, spread the $$ around evenly and don't go too crazy on any one thing-that way I've been able to keep adding to the list. Actually had to build a brand new garage last year to hold everything! More theories on cars, bikes, stereo systems, and life are availible...
$26,000+$11,000=$37,000...............way under 40gs?????? for a car that cant even put that power to the ground? And youll be able to resell 6 months from now for 22k?
02-15-2011, 10:44 PM
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^ are you always like this? Your car makes 500 to the ground...I have plenty of friends with 1000+ to the wheels and they drive on the street all the time. Who cares if someone wants to make big power in their street car and spend lots of money doing so?
02-15-2011, 11:29 PM
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You can continue to think that the V1 is an insanely cool platform to make big power. But im not gonna pussyfoot around the fact that it sucks that our cars are not versatile at all. Now go ahead and defend the fact that they are. Someone on here has to be the bearer of bad news and tell people straight up how it is.
And people are so caught up in dyno numbers for example.....500rwhp V1 vs 500RWHP V2........whose gonna win.....numbers dont mean ****.
02-16-2011, 12:02 AM
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I agree 110%, but no where in this thread has the OP mentioned a 7k dollar built rear, and in all of the high HP threads I have not seen anyone mention a built rear in the works after dropping 10k on a power adder. All these street cars with 600hp I guarantee cant hook that power in 1st or second.
02-16-2011, 12:08 AM
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A built rear first is the correct way, but who want's to spend blower money on a built rear first? I'd do mine after mine after it blows.
10K on a blower is insane, but some people need the "name reassurance" or have money to throw around.
10K on a blower is insane, but some people need the "name reassurance" or have money to throw around.
02-16-2011, 07:29 AM
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I agree 110%, but no where in this thread has the OP mentioned a 7k dollar built rear, and in all of the high HP threads I have not seen anyone mention a built rear in the works after dropping 10k on a power adder. All these street cars with 600hp I guarantee cant hook that power in 1st or second.
02-16-2011, 09:26 AM
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It's been pointed out several times a used V2 might be only marginally more expensive, and he's even replied to that that he's looked into it and isn't interested.
If you reach a point where you are tired of your car, sell it. It's not worth being all angry about it, regardless of where values are. Pissing all over other people who like the car doesn't help, either.
To the OP, it sounds like you've found a few options besides Lingenfelter that can hook you up with the same product, but for less money.
02-16-2011, 09:40 AM
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i looked into doing a LPE TVS1900 package as well. After talking with serval local shops close to my area (DFW), i was told the $11,000 that package is advertised as costing is mainly more the name. My shop here is DFW said they can do the exact samething (minus the Lingenfelter FRCs) for around $8,000 to $8,500. And then told me if I really wanted the FRCs, they would get me some metal covers. If you shop around, you will find that with LPE, you are paying for the name. Just like most tuning companies that are out there, they will bloat there prices because of the letters that comes with with the build. HPE and D3 are the the same way. IMO, the only difference between D3 and HPE/LPE is that D3 is a Cadillac Speciality shope. Where as HPE/LPE are engine platform shops.
And you didnt buy something that has (or near) the same things as a V2. V2 was a much more planned platform and has a lot better interior. The fastest V1s i have ever heard about are running in the mid to low 11s with built rears and 800+ hp at the wheels. With the V2, do an pulley, intake, tune, and DRs and you will have a low 11 high 10 car that gives the V1 400 pounds of weight. If you have ever sat in or been near a V2, it make almost every V1 look like a pile a dog **** (IMO).
The more I look at the V1, the more I have realized that it will never be able to do what I wanted it to do. Which is why I will be ditching the V1 in the future and picking myself up something that is really fast. Like a C6Z06...
Edit: But its your money...if it makes you happy, send it any way you please.
And you didnt buy something that has (or near) the same things as a V2. V2 was a much more planned platform and has a lot better interior. The fastest V1s i have ever heard about are running in the mid to low 11s with built rears and 800+ hp at the wheels. With the V2, do an pulley, intake, tune, and DRs and you will have a low 11 high 10 car that gives the V1 400 pounds of weight. If you have ever sat in or been near a V2, it make almost every V1 look like a pile a dog **** (IMO).
The more I look at the V1, the more I have realized that it will never be able to do what I wanted it to do. Which is why I will be ditching the V1 in the future and picking myself up something that is really fast. Like a C6Z06...
Edit: But its your money...if it makes you happy, send it any way you please.