CTS-V vs RS6...uh-oh
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Just posted about the M5 getting a V10 and now look who is trying to keep up with the Jones's?
400 HP Caddys, V10 Bimmers and Audis, man it's a good time to be alive, sort of makes you wonder what GM has in store for the STS-V...
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Lambo V10 For New RS6
Audi's all-new A6 will eventually flower into a V10-engined mega-saloon, according to sources within the company.
The next-generation S6 is expected to get an upgrade and be fitted with a twin-turbo V8, but it will be topped by an extreme RS6 replacement fitted with a de-tuned
5-litre V10 borrowed from the Lamborghini Gallardo. This engine will also be used in Audi's upcoming Le Mans Quattro supercar and provides competition for BMW's forthcoming V10-engined M5.
The new A6 also marks the beginning of an attempt to reinvent the maker as a sporting brand: 'sport and Audi go together', according to one talking head at the recent London unveiling. Audi is also claiming that the A6 will be 'the most sporting saloon in the sector'.
The new A6 has a longitudinally-mounted engine, wishbone front suspension and now a complex multi-link rear axle on both front- and all-wheel drive versions. Audi's launch blurb also says that the car has a new 'ML' transmission, standing for 'Manual Longitudinal'. This new design allows Audi's engineers to mount the engines further back in the nose - or perhaps allows the front wheels to be placed further forward: some 83mm has been liberated according to Audi's Dr Horst Glaser. Although this may not sound much, the A6's weight distribution is now 59 per cent front/ 41 per cent rear, a much-needed improvement.
Having a powerplant that overhangs the front wheels has been the root cause of criticisms concerning the handling, steering feel and balance of various Audis for years. Moving the engine rearwards might also explain how it's possible to fit a detuned version of the Gallardo's V10 into the nose of the next-generation RS6.
Ahead of the launch, a senior Audi source told evo that the company's new design language had one aim: 'to stop us fading into the background'. There's no doubt that the A6 is more flashy than previous Audis and that it finally breaks with the hugely successful design language established with the 100 and 80 models of the late 1980s.
Perhaps an even bigger design revolution has been wrought inside. The A6's interior has been completely re-thought and is much 'busier' and more 'technical' than any previous Audi. It's also much more switch-laden and gets the MMI control set-up with a 6.5in monochrome television screen. Ritzier versions get a colour screen.
In the flesh, the new A6 shows evidence that Chris Bangle's radical BMWs have started to influence rivals. How utterly ironic, then, that Bangle should be kicked upstairs by BMW into an executive role just days ahead of the A6 unveiling.
Unlike the current car - which is sister to the VW Passat - this A6 doesn't currently share its chassis with any another VW Group brand. The steel monocoque is said to be 36 per cent stiffer and rear legroom is up by an appreciable 83mm.
Five new engines are lined up for launch with a 335bhp 4.2-litre V8 at the top. Also on offer is a 255bhp 3.2-litre FSI V6, a 177bhp 2.4-litre V6 and two diesels; a 225bhp 3-litre TDI and a 140bhp 2-litre TDI. Interestingly, more than 50 per cent of current A6 sales are diesel-powered. Both the V8 and V6 motors are based on the same - new - 90degree architecture (as is the Gallardo V10) with just 90mm between bore-centres. This design aims to reduce frontal weight-bias.
All models get the new six-speed manual 'box or a six-speed auto. There's also the option of the unique - and superb - stepless Multitronic transmission. Quattro all-wheel drive is standard on the 4.2 and 3.0 TDi models. Adaptive air suspension will be offered as an option from early next year. Standard kit includes speed-dependent assisted steering, an electric parking brake, automatic air-con and rain and light sensors.
With Mercedes experiencing quality problems with the E-class and BMW suffering from experimental design with the 5-series, Audi has never had a better chance to take this sector by storm. The new A6 saloon range goes on sale from June while the Avant estate follows next year. Plans are also afoot for a coupe version.
Audi's all-new A6 will eventually flower into a V10-engined mega-saloon, according to sources within the company.
The next-generation S6 is expected to get an upgrade and be fitted with a twin-turbo V8, but it will be topped by an extreme RS6 replacement fitted with a de-tuned
5-litre V10 borrowed from the Lamborghini Gallardo. This engine will also be used in Audi's upcoming Le Mans Quattro supercar and provides competition for BMW's forthcoming V10-engined M5.
The new A6 also marks the beginning of an attempt to reinvent the maker as a sporting brand: 'sport and Audi go together', according to one talking head at the recent London unveiling. Audi is also claiming that the A6 will be 'the most sporting saloon in the sector'.
The new A6 has a longitudinally-mounted engine, wishbone front suspension and now a complex multi-link rear axle on both front- and all-wheel drive versions. Audi's launch blurb also says that the car has a new 'ML' transmission, standing for 'Manual Longitudinal'. This new design allows Audi's engineers to mount the engines further back in the nose - or perhaps allows the front wheels to be placed further forward: some 83mm has been liberated according to Audi's Dr Horst Glaser. Although this may not sound much, the A6's weight distribution is now 59 per cent front/ 41 per cent rear, a much-needed improvement.
Having a powerplant that overhangs the front wheels has been the root cause of criticisms concerning the handling, steering feel and balance of various Audis for years. Moving the engine rearwards might also explain how it's possible to fit a detuned version of the Gallardo's V10 into the nose of the next-generation RS6.
Ahead of the launch, a senior Audi source told evo that the company's new design language had one aim: 'to stop us fading into the background'. There's no doubt that the A6 is more flashy than previous Audis and that it finally breaks with the hugely successful design language established with the 100 and 80 models of the late 1980s.
Perhaps an even bigger design revolution has been wrought inside. The A6's interior has been completely re-thought and is much 'busier' and more 'technical' than any previous Audi. It's also much more switch-laden and gets the MMI control set-up with a 6.5in monochrome television screen. Ritzier versions get a colour screen.
In the flesh, the new A6 shows evidence that Chris Bangle's radical BMWs have started to influence rivals. How utterly ironic, then, that Bangle should be kicked upstairs by BMW into an executive role just days ahead of the A6 unveiling.
Unlike the current car - which is sister to the VW Passat - this A6 doesn't currently share its chassis with any another VW Group brand. The steel monocoque is said to be 36 per cent stiffer and rear legroom is up by an appreciable 83mm.
Five new engines are lined up for launch with a 335bhp 4.2-litre V8 at the top. Also on offer is a 255bhp 3.2-litre FSI V6, a 177bhp 2.4-litre V6 and two diesels; a 225bhp 3-litre TDI and a 140bhp 2-litre TDI. Interestingly, more than 50 per cent of current A6 sales are diesel-powered. Both the V8 and V6 motors are based on the same - new - 90degree architecture (as is the Gallardo V10) with just 90mm between bore-centres. This design aims to reduce frontal weight-bias.
All models get the new six-speed manual 'box or a six-speed auto. There's also the option of the unique - and superb - stepless Multitronic transmission. Quattro all-wheel drive is standard on the 4.2 and 3.0 TDi models. Adaptive air suspension will be offered as an option from early next year. Standard kit includes speed-dependent assisted steering, an electric parking brake, automatic air-con and rain and light sensors.
With Mercedes experiencing quality problems with the E-class and BMW suffering from experimental design with the 5-series, Audi has never had a better chance to take this sector by storm. The new A6 saloon range goes on sale from June while the Avant estate follows next year. Plans are also afoot for a coupe version.
-Adam
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Originally Posted by Adam Bruce
Just posted about the M5 getting a V10 and now look who is trying to keep up with the Jones's?
400 HP Caddys, V10 Bimmers and Audis, man it's a good time to be alive, sort of makes you wonder what GM has in store for the STS-V...
-Adam
400 HP Caddys, V10 Bimmers and Audis, man it's a good time to be alive, sort of makes you wonder what GM has in store for the STS-V...
-Adam
I like a horsepower war. Keep your eye on whatever engine lands in the next Z06 (rumored 3 valve 500hp v8). I think that's the most likely candidtate for the engine compartment of the STS-V or the next iteration of the CTS-V.
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The STS-V will probably have a northstar type of motor in it, since it will be the main luxury car besides the XLR, I would of liked the LS6 in the XLR, that would of MADE that car.....![Happy](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif)
Escalade V should get the V-12 as rumored.....![Happy](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif)
I'm sure the CTS-V could end up with the future "Z07" motor that will be put into the C6 vette, that sure would make things interesting for the competetion, either way, I'm sure they won't let themselves fall behind......
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Escalade V should get the V-12 as rumored.....
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I'm sure the CTS-V could end up with the future "Z07" motor that will be put into the C6 vette, that sure would make things interesting for the competetion, either way, I'm sure they won't let themselves fall behind......
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Originally Posted by BIGBOS
The STS-V will probably have a northstar type of motor in it, since it will be the main luxury car besides the XLR, I would of liked the LS6 in the XLR, that would of MADE that car.....![Happy](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_stretch.gif)
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
Cadillac has some sort of V12 that I hear is going into production.
This is the XV-V12,
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Originally Posted by Adam Bruce
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The "Sixteen" is Cadillac's Maybach fighter.. It'll likely be available with a 12 and a 16... Even possibly a 10.. At this point, who knows? It could even come out as a Fleetwood - however unlikely...