This is why you BUY a race car if you don't know WTF is going on in building one.

 

"Gator needs his gat, you punk *** bitch!"

 

haha perfect

one of the best will ferrel lines ever

 

This should be the tuner's new MOTTO.

?????????????????? These forums are filled with idiots (like you). The OP (me) didn't make any racial inferences.

Incorrect. This is why I need to find a competent tuner that knows what he is doing and knows the difference between a safe tune and a "pushing it to the limit" tune. Go crawl back in your hole, D-bag.

 

its all fun & games til someone gets there eye popped out...lol. I think he said the "N" more than enough times also... Tell us how you really feel about black people Mr. Bush...lol.

 

Oh I have no bias with any tuner, as I'm pretty sure I know who it already is. If it's the person I'm thinking of, then he did the initial base tune on my car. There aren't too many awesome, traveling tuners in VA. Race gas isn't going to make your tune any safer. That will only allow you run more timing, as will meth, so unless you plan on ALWAYS throwing some MS109 in the tank, then that would not have saved you from lifting the heads regardless. If he blew the engine from detonation, then yea, completely his fault, as he would have seen it in the logs. I'm not defending anyone, I just think people should take responsibility for their actions or inactions, but of course we live in a country where it's always someone elses fault when things don't go as planned.

He was saying that he didn't feel there was any reason for fmoron655 to resort to racial slurs...he wasn't saying you were using them.

 

Thanks for speaking up for me.

Like I said, I don't think the OP was being so blatantly stupid (just stupid!) he deserved the racial toned insults.

As for what he thinks of me, like I should care?

What's funny to me is he says he knows about cars, but not enough to see his own car being blown up and stopping it.

 

Mike Nice trolling again, I presume?

Anyhow...a competent tuner WOULD NOT attempt to tune a car that has a dead miss, weak fuel pump, overheating issue, or a fatal combination. The fact that this idiot attempted this speaks volumes.

A "Tuner" is supposed to be a a SME (Subject Matter Expert), which is clearly not the case here. And the "tuning to the edge" BS just isn't going to hold water as this had COMPLETE FAIL all over it from the very beginning.

The owner can claim incompetence through lack of knowledge to some degree here, while the tuner has only proved his incompetence.

So....who's the hack? Please don't tell us that you let the engine destruction specialist ChuckCoW touch your ride.

 

You don't know the whole story

If you knew who the tuner was you would be thinking about this again.

I have a short list of tuners that I don't like or get along with, but this tuner is at the top of my list for the phone call when I need support.
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I know the story

I am going to assume this tuner had a bunch of guy lined up to meat him in Chicago and this was 1 on many cars that he tuned. If I remember correctly he had an issue with the dyno on that trip also. Maybe he was a little behind and wanted to make it all work out

I think I read it correctly that you had hit 22# before his tune. Is this correct?

How could it be the tuners fault?
Did he build the combo?
Did you have it towed to his location after the install?
I think you drove it to him correct?

Did you ever crack the throttle? I am not talking WOT, but just enough to build boost and lower RPM's. ------- I guess if you hit 22# then yes and you damaged it well before tuner X touched your car. Now if it had 22# and by the time it got to Tuner X and now it only had 20#. Hmmmmmm Could It have already been damaged?

Blame the goy that knows more than you. He must be the Idiot.

 

These are all questions the OP dances around to make himself seem not at fault...too bad he dances like Deion Sanders ran when he played football...straight out of bounds everytime.

 

I concede that you are one of the premier LS tuners in the country, and if you say this mystery tuner knows his stuff then I wholeheartedly believe your words.

The thing that I am still having trouble with, however, is that someone who is knowledgeable would take this on.

Example...if someone came in with an F body and said they want a tune that would allow them to run a 500 shot of NOS. You start asking the normal questions...what CID, what cam, heads, fuel system, injectors, intake, T. Body, etc. They answer...stock, stock, stock, stock, stock, stock, stock. Would you take this on? Or, would you tell them that their combination is a recipe for disaster and you in no way want your name associated with it.

This is how I look at the situation. Even if OP previously had run 40 lbs of boost through it and it was driven onto the dyno and seemed to be in perfect condition...I wouldn't want to be associated with it b/c there is only one realistic eventual outcome.

 

I agree... The "pro tuner" does have the option to deny work... If all this should've never happened then why did this "pro tuner" choose to run it until something bad happened?

 

Yes sir. He had some guys lined up in Chicago (twice), partially thanks to (stupid) me. And I have spoken with four of them that stated that they would not use him again and/or they are not pleased with the results. One said that "he couldn't get out of my car quick enough" during a drivability tune. I have emails and texts from three of them. I won't go into details, as that's not what this is about. It hit 21 or 22 a couple months ago with HIS prior knowledge of the pulley combo. It was one short WOT (then larger pulley put back on) on the highway and there was no damage done (and heads didn't lift, compression test was done, plugs pulled, all was ok). If I did 5 or 6 WOTs then I am sure something would have busted. Like it did after 6 back to back runs on the dyno with high temps and high boost. Each adjustment of the tune after each pull should have gotten things safer not worse, right? I WAS IGNORED when I stated "we need to bleed the HX my IATs never got that high". I was ignored when I said I think the boost may be too high. But I was told " know what I am doing". The reason for the different PSI 20 vs 22 was there was a smaller pulley on when it made 22psi (one brief WOT as stated above), larger pulley put on for the dyno tune (so nice try there). No the tuner DIDN'T build the combo. That's why he asks for a form to be completed ahead of time with the build details and cam specs, etc. The tuner verbatim said after the fact "in hindsight we shouldn't have pushed it at 20psi". Also text from tuner states "yeah 20psi is kinda high. lol".....LOL?????? I am dying laughing. Tuner better hope that my motor is ok or I will be having the last laugh when I get a new motor on his dime. This tuner is all about the $$$ and quantity, not quality, simple. I just wish more guys that aren't pleased with him would speak their mind. Probably because they don't want to deal with idiots that just blow smoke. Bottom line is few people that were present and know the whole story take my side, including shop owner. Also, shop owner will NOT have tuner back at his shop.
Do you want to try again??

 

More power! Yous guys must've not watched Tool Time.

 

BINGO. We have a winner!!!!

 

We are missing half the story though. We have NO idea what the tuner said to the OP regarding his combo. Not taking sides but we are mising soooo much info this thread is on the verge of being locked because its going absolutely no where but me banning people for saying irrelevant stuff.

 

Sorry I misread or misunderstood your post. Now show me where I stated that "I know about cars"!!??? I know the basics, maybe a bit more than the average Joe. That's why I paid a builder to do the work and a tuner. It's so easy for a tuner to point fingers and not own up to making a mistake. Have you EVER seen a tuner (or a builder for that matter) admit they screwed up or apologize for making a mistake???? of course, not, they always point fingers, blame the other. They are perfect, right? IMO, insurance should be made available for this type of profession. There is a professional liability exposure, just like a doctor, lawyer, architect, real estate appraiser, etc.

 

I call bullshit on the whole story. lol

I love the lack of multi-quoting and the fact that truth is quoted from a website. (The internet never lied)

Good Luck.

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I agree. I welcome tuner (a member here) to state a rebuttal. The problem is I have stated 100% facts and he knows it and there were people present that will back me up 100%. Period.
I posted on here to 1) state my experience (I NEVER even mentioned tuner's name) 2) get opinions, ideas, suggestions, since the professional that I hired failed me.
For now what happened is water under the bridge. I just hope my motor is ok (I think it is), so the water stays put.
Feel free to lock thread if you wish. I didn't want this to get out of control.

 

I've never locked an active thread and don't plan on it, but if it continues the way it is I will have to.