Makes it hard to invest in a V1..
03-13-2013, 09:46 AM
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dont get me wrong i love the V2s but i just dont think they are worth the extra 25K to get in to a stock one. yes they can make more power with a very low investment but the price of the car is still alot higher. **** i could build a 800hp V1 and still buy another stock V1 for a DD with V2 money
This seems to be the thought process of most V1 owners. I was there at one point when I owned one. But have you seen anyone go from a V1 to a V2, and then decide they should go back to a V1 because it's cheaper to build?
03-13-2013, 10:28 AM
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Every reason the V1 owners have posted of not getting a V2 were the same reasons I held out, but now that I have a V2, I have no regrets about upgrading. Let be real. The V2 is better than the V1 in every way. I have my V1 just right with a Maggie and 8.8 rear end, and the V2 is still much better. I thought I didn't like the looks, but one you see it everyday, you start realizing how dated the V1 look is. Interior, better, exterior, better, performance better.
03-13-2013, 10:32 AM
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I've driven my fare share of V2's, stock and modified. Its a great car but very different than the V1. For me my V1 has been so great that the money difference just isn't justified. Everyone is different but when the V2 starts to fall into the upper 35-40k range then it's game on. Until then I'm loving mine as a DD after 5 years and 80k miles!
Got mine for under $40k, and I am only paying $100 more per month than I was my V1. Insurance stayed the same.
03-13-2013, 10:53 AM
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So ya, I guess for most people procharges may be the cheapest way to go boosted, but my point was that I dont think they are ideal in any way. I think you can get a maggy for $8k, as I said, id go turbo but if that wasnt a choice I'd spend the extra 1000 and get a maggy.
Prochargers for these cars are NOT the cheapest way to go boosted, MP112s are.
Cooler charge than any maggie any day.
You want full flat boost response? easy, you max out the blower rpm and use a boost controller on the intake charge, and dial your boost band in.
You will always obtain higher HP on the top end with a centri.
I think you should look at Skydivers setup. -864 rwhp / 812 rwtq (on 12# of boost) - procharged
Or Aruns many procharged vehicles.
an example:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...-800-rwhp.html
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03-13-2013, 11:53 AM
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My problem is the $. My V1 is almost paid for and the modding has begun. By the time I invest another 10G's it will be a very fast, very good handling car. plus I will not have a payment! So by the time that V2's are around 30k$ I will have a comparably fast (or faster) car and still only 25-30k invested. Which to me is > than owning a V2, which then the modding begins again.
As for the creature comforts, Im putting in sparco seats and harnesses so...they mean nothing to me.
As for the creature comforts, Im putting in sparco seats and harnesses so...they mean nothing to me.
03-13-2013, 11:55 AM
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My problem is the $. My V1 is almost paid for and the modding has begun. By the time I invest another 10G's it will be a very fast, very good handling car. plus I will not have a payment! So by the time that V2's are around 30k$ I will have a comparably fast (or faster) car and still only 25-30k invested. Which to me is > than owning a V2, which then the modding begins again.
However, as stated earlier, both are different cars. If you want a more refined, quiet, smoother ride that is blisteringly fast, the V2 makes sense. If you want an 'under the radar' fast "luxury" car, the V1 is probably the best out there for the money.
03-13-2013, 12:12 PM
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I think you are way off on Centri blowers...
Prochargers for these cars are NOT the cheapest way to go boosted, MP112s are.
Cooler charge than any maggie any day.
You want full flat boost response? easy, you max out the blower rpm and use a boost controller on the intake charge, and dial your boost band in.
You will always obtain higher HP on the top end with a centri.
I think you should look at Skydivers setup. -864 rwhp / 812 rwtq (on 12# of boost) - procharged
Or Aruns many procharged vehicles.
an example:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...-800-rwhp.html
Prochargers for these cars are NOT the cheapest way to go boosted, MP112s are.
Cooler charge than any maggie any day.
You want full flat boost response? easy, you max out the blower rpm and use a boost controller on the intake charge, and dial your boost band in.
You will always obtain higher HP on the top end with a centri.
I think you should look at Skydivers setup. -864 rwhp / 812 rwtq (on 12# of boost) - procharged
Or Aruns many procharged vehicles.
an example:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...-800-rwhp.html
Okay, it seems like maybe I was being prejudice about Centri's, honestly I have never had any kind of a SC, but going off the facts, the principals of how they worked didnt seem to make sense to me on papaer, it appears that this may have been a misconception on my end... Turbo's still the best ;-)
03-13-2013, 12:48 PM
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Okay, it seems like maybe I was being prejudice about Centri's, honestly I have never had any kind of a SC, but going off the facts, the principals of how they worked didnt seem to make sense to me on papaer, it appears that this may have been a misconception on my end... Turbo's still the best ;-)
03-13-2013, 01:24 PM
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Oh I will move over...just waiting for the next gen CTS V to come out so the V2 prices start dropping even more and they will. In the meantime I will enjoy no payment.
03-13-2013, 06:25 PM
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Also, if you use Comp Oil-less turbo's you do not have oil lines and pumps. I was going to go this route before my E Force. The turbo's are packed with a special grease and are liquid cooled so they can be mounted in any position. It's recommended to ship them back every 3 yrs or 50k miles to re-pack the grease and insp, but that also extends the warranty on them.
The fact that they do away with oil lines and scavenge pumps make the cost well worth the investment. And since they can be mounted in any position, their mounting position can be dictated by the piping and not the oil lines.
Too bad Comp's people are *******'s.
03-13-2013, 09:45 PM
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My only complaint with centri blowers are the fact that they are so affected by belt alignment issues. Not only do you have to buy the standard kit, to make big power you gotta drop a good chunk of change on a new bracket setup just to get the thing to keep a belt on the car.
No matter what setup you have from n/a, nitrous, blower, turbo....when you make big power every single one will have its issue somewhere.
No matter what setup you have from n/a, nitrous, blower, turbo....when you make big power every single one will have its issue somewhere.
03-14-2013, 12:28 AM
#54
Were talking current times right? not exactly fair to compare the V1 at higher than current price to the V2's at their current price.
Therefore if you spend the time, a decent 07 can be had for $20k
$10-12k in mods will get you in the 10sec club unless you are a fool.
now you have another $8-10k left over for "warranty", or to get in the 9's
Your real warranty just stops you from having any fun with the car for fear of voiding it, **** a warranty IMHO...
as far as the platform and chasis, I dont know much about the engineering improvements, maybe others can chime in, but I do know its quite a bit heavier, this isnt a car that I will be competing on roadcoarses with, why would you in a 4000lb car, so I am not to concerned with the improvements...
Therefore if you spend the time, a decent 07 can be had for $20k
$10-12k in mods will get you in the 10sec club unless you are a fool.
now you have another $8-10k left over for "warranty", or to get in the 9's
Your real warranty just stops you from having any fun with the car for fear of voiding it, **** a warranty IMHO...
as far as the platform and chasis, I dont know much about the engineering improvements, maybe others can chime in, but I do know its quite a bit heavier, this isnt a car that I will be competing on roadcoarses with, why would you in a 4000lb car, so I am not to concerned with the improvements...
V2's run 11's like its an accident
03-14-2013, 01:21 AM
#55
Sorry it took me so long to buy one, but I figure 750+WHP within 7000 miles of owning the car is making good leeway...
I cant speak for why everyone else isnt breaking 10's yet, but as for myself, I will try and lead by example for yall
03-14-2013, 01:51 AM
#56
We have to keep in mind the upgraded rears really werent affordable up until about 6-8 months ago. I know that is one of the top 3 reasons I sold my car. I simply refused to drop 6k on a rear setup. Now that they are down in the 2-4k range these cars are gonna start going faster.
I still dont see anyone making consistent 10 second passes on a stock rear.
I still dont see anyone making consistent 10 second passes on a stock rear.
03-14-2013, 04:51 AM
#57
If I could buy a v2 wagon I would own one. The wagon is just still too expensive. When I can get a wagon for 30-35k I will get rid of the V1 and pick up a wagon. However, I do love my V1 as a DD.
