CTS-V with ATI ProCharger D-1SC
#1
CTS-V with ATI ProCharger D-1SC
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com...Car.php?car=33
If anyone has any ideas on installing an air to air intercooler for the ATI ProCharger D-1SC, please let me know. Thanks. Bob
If anyone has any ideas on installing an air to air intercooler for the ATI ProCharger D-1SC, please let me know. Thanks. Bob
#2
I looked during my break, plenty of room behind the lower grill, but getting the tubes routed is going to be the problem. I don't see being able to use the passenger side for anything as the CPU/fuse block is there.
What about using an intercooler where the inlet/outlet is on the same side?
I have not had a chance to check what's there, but will if you need me to.
I just checked out the C6 kit, over the radiator is pretty crazy, but I don't think it's doable on the Vs.
It looks like the GTO kits come around to the passenger side, I'm assuming they don't have the electrical stuff there like the Vs?
-Mat
What about using an intercooler where the inlet/outlet is on the same side?
I have not had a chance to check what's there, but will if you need me to.
I just checked out the C6 kit, over the radiator is pretty crazy, but I don't think it's doable on the Vs.
It looks like the GTO kits come around to the passenger side, I'm assuming they don't have the electrical stuff there like the Vs?
-Mat
#3
Originally Posted by Mat347
I looked during my break, plenty of room behind the lower grill, but getting the tubes routed is going to be the problem. I don't see being able to use the passenger side for anything as the CPU/fuse block is there.
What about using an intercooler where the inlet/outlet is on the same side?
I have not had a chance to check what's there, but will if you need me to.
I just checked out the C6 kit, over the radiator is pretty crazy, but I don't think it's doable on the Vs.
It looks like the GTO kits come around to the passenger side, I'm assuming they don't have the electrical stuff there like the Vs?
-Mat
What about using an intercooler where the inlet/outlet is on the same side?
I have not had a chance to check what's there, but will if you need me to.
I just checked out the C6 kit, over the radiator is pretty crazy, but I don't think it's doable on the Vs.
It looks like the GTO kits come around to the passenger side, I'm assuming they don't have the electrical stuff there like the Vs?
-Mat
The ATI ProCharger GTO kit mounts on the driver side, and as long as we have sufficient room for the supercharger inlet plumbing, which will be close to the shock tower, we should be able to make everything work. Bob
#4
Will this be a one time custom kit, or will this be offered as a Procharger kit for the V?
The P-1SC would be fine for what I want to do with the car.
And with the GTO, I meant that the plumbing for the intercooler outlet went around to the passenger side from the picture I saw.
The P-1SC would be fine for what I want to do with the car.
And with the GTO, I meant that the plumbing for the intercooler outlet went around to the passenger side from the picture I saw.
#5
Originally Posted by Mat347
Will this be a one time custom kit, or will this be offered as a Procharger kit for the V?
The P-1SC would be fine for what I want to do with the car.
And with the GTO, I meant that the plumbing for the intercooler outlet went around to the passenger side from the picture I saw.
The P-1SC would be fine for what I want to do with the car.
And with the GTO, I meant that the plumbing for the intercooler outlet went around to the passenger side from the picture I saw.
The P-1SC and the D-1SC both use the same housing, but the D-1SC can handle more boost. Either one could be used in this application, although the D-1SC can support many more future engine upgrades before running out of breath.
The intercooler plumbing will indeed be a challenge... Bob
#6
Originally Posted by 98Z28MASS
Well this idea might be completely insane and have no chance of working...but what about a top-mount intercooler like the STI's have? I was hanging out with my buddies last night, two of which have STI's and figured it would be worth a shot to suggest. Feel free to shoot it down though in a blaze of glory because I have no clue if it would work on an LS-powered car. Just figured id throw it out there!
#7
The V showed up yesterday. We're currently doing an ATI ProCharger install on a '04 automatic GTO, and the power steering pump looks to be the biggest hurdle to using the GTO ProCharger on the V. We'll work it out somehow... Bob
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#8
How much louder, if any, is the D-1 over the P-1? I have heard a P-1SC in action and would want to keep the V sleeper quiet just as the Vette it was on.
Great to hear everything is going so well. Are you keeping measurements of the modifications needed for the V? I sure do hope so for the sake of a much needed supercharger kit alternative for our Vs!
Great to hear everything is going so well. Are you keeping measurements of the modifications needed for the V? I sure do hope so for the sake of a much needed supercharger kit alternative for our Vs!
#9
Originally Posted by Mat347
How much louder, if any, is the D-1 over the P-1? I have heard a P-1SC in action and would want to keep the V sleeper quiet just as the Vette it was on.
Great to hear everything is going so well. Are you keeping measurements of the modifications needed for the V? I sure do hope so for the sake of a much needed supercharger kit alternative for our Vs!
Great to hear everything is going so well. Are you keeping measurements of the modifications needed for the V? I sure do hope so for the sake of a much needed supercharger kit alternative for our Vs!
We are indeed keeping measurements. We've made templates for the items. We have an ATI Performance Products harmonic balancer coming hopefully tomorrow, and with fingers crossed it will allow the bottom ATI ProCharger GTO pulley to work. If it doesn't, we'll have to have a bottom pulley machined. Bob
Last edited by Exotic Performance Plus; 10-12-2005 at 05:35 AM.
#11
Nice! What PSI are you shooting for? Did you use the 2 or 3 core intercooler?
Besides computer tuning(and what was previously stated), any other changes required(injectors, fuel pumps, etc)? Any crazy accessory changes needed?
Besides computer tuning(and what was previously stated), any other changes required(injectors, fuel pumps, etc)? Any crazy accessory changes needed?
#12
Originally Posted by Mat347
Nice! What PSI are you shooting for? Did you use the 2 or 3 core intercooler?
Besides computer tuning(and what was previously stated), any other changes required(injectors, fuel pumps, etc)? Any crazy accessory changes needed?
Besides computer tuning(and what was previously stated), any other changes required(injectors, fuel pumps, etc)? Any crazy accessory changes needed?
#13
Originally Posted by captmd11
I plan on one or the other on my '05. Comments?
Mark
#16
Originally Posted by Staxxin
I've been wondering the differences. What makes the one better then the other?
Mark
#17
Originally Posted by platinum
you can get efficiently 12lbs out of a maggie. how many lbs does he want to run
They are only going to run 7-8psi as my bottom end is stock. That will still get me about 550RWHP on a dynojet, though.
Mark
#18
Originally Posted by platinum
I Dont Know. Do You Think You Will Get That Much. What Else Is Done To The Car
Mark
#19
im no expert....
But the characteristics of these two differnt types of force induction will create a differnt feel of your car, though both will net "similar gains in power output but not in seat of the pants feel.
A "maggie" will give a positive displacement effect. Basically, that is the reason why you have such off the line or low end torque. If used with a bypass vavle and a intercooler of some type, a roots style charger will be as efficient as any other form of FI. IMO, the only draw-back is the top-end efficiency.
A Procharger, since it being a centrifugal, it acts like a supercharger running off the belts. It really doesnt have the low-end power of a roots-style blower. It's designed to be "invisible" while in everyday driving, maintaining stock driveability and fuel economy. However, when driven, the centrifugal will draw-up boost nicely in the middle to top-end range. Like a turbo, though it gets its "power" from the belts, it creates more power per boost than a roots-style blower within its design range (middle to top). Also, since the procharger is self-contained and air-to-air intercooled, the compressed air temp is onm eof the lowest in the industry and yuo dont have to draw oil from the oil-pan.
I believe hot rod magazine or super-street (on of those american mags...not sports compact, though they do have FI articles which are a good read as well.) did a comparison between a roots, centrifugal, and a turbo. Both the turbo and the centrifugal topped the roots out in power per eaual boost levels, but th eturbo one because it if the most efficient sice it runs on free power, the exhaust. (though a turbo is a restriction, causing a decrease in hp efficieny, until you draw-up boost of-course!)
Now, again im no expert, but each have there pro's/cons. It all depends on your preferences and driving style and applicationof your vehicle. Now, both a procharger and a magnacharger, though the good thing about a magna is its easy to install factor, will get you in the 11'z, but you have to address each tune accordingly and achieve maximum boost application.
But the characteristics of these two differnt types of force induction will create a differnt feel of your car, though both will net "similar gains in power output but not in seat of the pants feel.
A "maggie" will give a positive displacement effect. Basically, that is the reason why you have such off the line or low end torque. If used with a bypass vavle and a intercooler of some type, a roots style charger will be as efficient as any other form of FI. IMO, the only draw-back is the top-end efficiency.
A Procharger, since it being a centrifugal, it acts like a supercharger running off the belts. It really doesnt have the low-end power of a roots-style blower. It's designed to be "invisible" while in everyday driving, maintaining stock driveability and fuel economy. However, when driven, the centrifugal will draw-up boost nicely in the middle to top-end range. Like a turbo, though it gets its "power" from the belts, it creates more power per boost than a roots-style blower within its design range (middle to top). Also, since the procharger is self-contained and air-to-air intercooled, the compressed air temp is onm eof the lowest in the industry and yuo dont have to draw oil from the oil-pan.
I believe hot rod magazine or super-street (on of those american mags...not sports compact, though they do have FI articles which are a good read as well.) did a comparison between a roots, centrifugal, and a turbo. Both the turbo and the centrifugal topped the roots out in power per eaual boost levels, but th eturbo one because it if the most efficient sice it runs on free power, the exhaust. (though a turbo is a restriction, causing a decrease in hp efficieny, until you draw-up boost of-course!)
Now, again im no expert, but each have there pro's/cons. It all depends on your preferences and driving style and applicationof your vehicle. Now, both a procharger and a magnacharger, though the good thing about a magna is its easy to install factor, will get you in the 11'z, but you have to address each tune accordingly and achieve maximum boost application.
#20
Originally Posted by platinum
you can get efficiently 12lbs out of a maggie. how many lbs does he want to run
FAST intake
90mm throttle body
Custom blower cam (thanks Jeff)
BMR trailing arms, strut tower brace, toe rods
New meats to replace the runcraps
With my current mods and the maggie I was only getting 7lbs, 500hp to the rear wheels.
P.S. Thunder Racing is the ****, very helpful and they do awesome work.
Last edited by CTS-V; 10-17-2005 at 02:51 PM.