Swaps just got way easier...Holley Terminator X
03-18-2019, 08:24 AM
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I will assume you meant no offense with that statement. Saying that it is fool-proof is not accurate. If you want something that is plug-N-play (fool-proof), then get a crate engine of your choice and the matching GM harness and ECU package. Those systems work very well.
What the X offers is FLEXIBILITY. As I mentioned before, OEM systems are not nearly as flexible when it comes to combinations of parts that were not offered stock. Yes, you can tune them, but mixing and matching gen3 and gen4 components are not so fool-proof! With the X it is much easier to do so...on top of all the benefits that I mentioned before.
Andrew
What the X offers is FLEXIBILITY. As I mentioned before, OEM systems are not nearly as flexible when it comes to combinations of parts that were not offered stock. Yes, you can tune them, but mixing and matching gen3 and gen4 components are not so fool-proof! With the X it is much easier to do so...on top of all the benefits that I mentioned before.
Andrew
03-18-2019, 09:37 AM
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Launching!
I would really like to see a breakdown of how the tuning experience (with CAN-to-USB cable and a laptop) compares to the Dominator and HP Tuners on a stock ECU. The Dominator is kind of overkill for a mild LS-turbo setup--those of us who are just running about 1 bar of boost on pump gas don't need auxiliary I/Os for eight stages of nitrous and the ability to run four extra injectors (or low-impedance injectors). However, it would be really nice to have a basic boost control strategy baked into the ECU (which this appears to have) and full live tuning (unlike the HP Tuners support for live tuning which only allows access to a handful of tables at a time). If it can do at least that much, well, I might want to switch.
03-18-2019, 12:55 PM
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This is awesome!! Like what was said before, if I didn't already have HP Tuners and my harness I would absolutely buy this for my Camaro. I spent so many hours re-wiring my harness and tracing wires this would be a huge time saver from that standpoint. Time Saved is also worth something
Andrew is right, the Holley ECU uses readily available terminals and connectors. I've actually been keeping an eye out for a cheaper used Holley HP EFI ECU to do just that with my stock harness. Andrew do you know if they will sell this ECU by itself without the harness? It would be really cool if they offered a builders kit with the ECU, Terminals, Connectors and the Main harness.
It seems as though Jgaines is missing the point of how huge of a step this is for the LS swapping community. To be able to get a plug and play ECU with harness for $1k or close to it is nothing short of amazing.
Andrew is right, the Holley ECU uses readily available terminals and connectors. I've actually been keeping an eye out for a cheaper used Holley HP EFI ECU to do just that with my stock harness. Andrew do you know if they will sell this ECU by itself without the harness? It would be really cool if they offered a builders kit with the ECU, Terminals, Connectors and the Main harness.
It seems as though Jgaines is missing the point of how huge of a step this is for the LS swapping community. To be able to get a plug and play ECU with harness for $1k or close to it is nothing short of amazing.
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Jb Baldemar Gonzalez (03-29-2021)
03-18-2019, 01:08 PM
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Not that it needs it, but does it come with an OBDII plug? Or would that even be possible? I'm sorta ignorant on such matters... lol
03-18-2019, 01:40 PM
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03-18-2019, 03:23 PM
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This is awesome!! Like what was said before, if I didn't already have HP Tuners and my harness I would absolutely buy this for my Camaro. I spent so many hours re-wiring my harness and tracing wires this would be a huge time saver from that standpoint. Time Saved is also worth something
Andrew is right, the Holley ECU uses readily available terminals and connectors. I've actually been keeping an eye out for a cheaper used Holley HP EFI ECU to do just that with my stock harness. Andrew do you know if they will sell this ECU by itself without the harness? It would be really cool if they offered a builders kit with the ECU, Terminals, Connectors and the Main harness.
It seems as though Jgaines is missing the point of how huge of a step this is for the LS swapping community. To be able to get a plug and play ECU with harness for $1k or close to it is nothing short of amazing.
Andrew is right, the Holley ECU uses readily available terminals and connectors. I've actually been keeping an eye out for a cheaper used Holley HP EFI ECU to do just that with my stock harness. Andrew do you know if they will sell this ECU by itself without the harness? It would be really cool if they offered a builders kit with the ECU, Terminals, Connectors and the Main harness.
It seems as though Jgaines is missing the point of how huge of a step this is for the LS swapping community. To be able to get a plug and play ECU with harness for $1k or close to it is nothing short of amazing.
Andrew
03-18-2019, 03:25 PM
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03-18-2019, 03:38 PM
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You should get a lot of info on this subject that you can pass on when you come through Holley for EFI training Andrew. I'll buy you a couple of beers and feed you more worthless LS swap BS too!
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03-18-2019, 03:39 PM
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OK, as I hinted at above. Mostly an OEM thing. I think this new stuff will be a bit of a game changer!
03-18-2019, 03:42 PM
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You guys have fun and keep the good stuff coming Toddoky!
03-18-2019, 04:05 PM
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Andrew will be coming through the engineering lab more than likely during part of his training, so he'll get to see first-hand what I'm currently working on. He can report back about everything he saw here...and then ve vil hav to kill him!
03-18-2019, 04:39 PM
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If I may ask, what is he training for?
03-18-2019, 05:37 PM
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Oh alright. Are classes such as these aimed at installers or just anyone looking to learn more about the subject at hand?
03-18-2019, 05:53 PM
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As far as I know, anyone can attend that wishes to pay for the experience to do so. I’ve never looked into myself and so am not familiar with the details. The classes do seem to be very well rated by those who attend them.
03-19-2019, 01:28 PM
#79
E85 compatibility with Fuel Composition Sensor? I did not see that as an option in the Installation instructions...
Also the Holley system seems to line up with the FITech 70050 offering... But FITech is at a better price point. Unless there is a huge feature mismatch that I am missing between the two? But in my quick read they seem about the same.
IMO with the generic Made In USA harnesses now at the ~$300-325 price point there isn't a huge financial change between the stock GM ECU options and the Dominator X setup. With the stock ECU I can also add the Fuel Composition Sensor capability very easily. Also the stock ECU is the ultimate in reliability. LT1SWAP with the ECU unlock service at a reasonable rate makes things easy for a straight turn key.
I like that Holley is aiming for the DIYer segment! I also think this will be a big seller for those who want easy turn key w/o the wiring headache or ECU programming. But I think the Dominator X line is late to the party and will need to justify it's price point vs FITech which looks the same feature set.
To add for the Holley nut huggers... You know why your running LS vs SBC... Because of the cheap Chinesium parts that FAIL in the field that are all chomey and made from aluminum foil! Keep it as much GM as possible and it will live darn near forever. IMO this includes the electronics. YMMV, but the big push from SBC to LS has partly been the lack of quality aftermarket parts.
In summary, I think a loaded Dominator X Max system is still too expensive for the DIY crowd to justify vs the alternatives. (real DIY <> Legoland part$ assemblers)
Also the Holley system seems to line up with the FITech 70050 offering... But FITech is at a better price point. Unless there is a huge feature mismatch that I am missing between the two? But in my quick read they seem about the same.
IMO with the generic Made In USA harnesses now at the ~$300-325 price point there isn't a huge financial change between the stock GM ECU options and the Dominator X setup. With the stock ECU I can also add the Fuel Composition Sensor capability very easily. Also the stock ECU is the ultimate in reliability. LT1SWAP with the ECU unlock service at a reasonable rate makes things easy for a straight turn key.
I like that Holley is aiming for the DIYer segment! I also think this will be a big seller for those who want easy turn key w/o the wiring headache or ECU programming. But I think the Dominator X line is late to the party and will need to justify it's price point vs FITech which looks the same feature set.
To add for the Holley nut huggers... You know why your running LS vs SBC... Because of the cheap Chinesium parts that FAIL in the field that are all chomey and made from aluminum foil! Keep it as much GM as possible and it will live darn near forever. IMO this includes the electronics. YMMV, but the big push from SBC to LS has partly been the lack of quality aftermarket parts.
In summary, I think a loaded Dominator X Max system is still too expensive for the DIY crowd to justify vs the alternatives. (real DIY <> Legoland part$ assemblers)
03-19-2019, 01:51 PM
#80
E85 compatibility with Fuel Composition Sensor? I did not see that as an option in the Installation instructions...
Also the Holley system seems to line up with the FITech 70050 offering... But FITech is at a better price point. Unless there is a huge feature mismatch that I am missing between the two? But in my quick read they seem about the same.
IMO with the generic Made In USA harnesses now at the ~$300-325 price point there isn't a huge financial change between the stock GM ECU options and the Dominator X setup. With the stock ECU I can also add the Fuel Composition Sensor capability very easily. Also the stock ECU is the ultimate in reliability. LT1SWAP with the ECU unlock service at a reasonable rate makes things easy for a straight turn key.
I like that Holley is aiming for the DIYer segment! I also think this will be a big seller for those who want easy turn key w/o the wiring headache or ECU programming. But I think the Dominator X line is late to the party and will need to justify it's price point vs FITech which looks the same feature set.
To add for the Holley nut huggers... You know why your running LS vs SBC... Because of the cheap Chinesium parts that FAIL in the field that are all chomey and made from aluminum foil! Keep it as much GM as possible and it will live darn near forever. IMO this includes the electronics. YMMV, but the big push from SBC to LS has partly been the lack of quality aftermarket parts.
In summary, I think a loaded Dominator X Max system is still too expensive for the DIY crowd to justify vs the alternatives. (real DIY <> Legoland part$ assemblers)
Also the Holley system seems to line up with the FITech 70050 offering... But FITech is at a better price point. Unless there is a huge feature mismatch that I am missing between the two? But in my quick read they seem about the same.
IMO with the generic Made In USA harnesses now at the ~$300-325 price point there isn't a huge financial change between the stock GM ECU options and the Dominator X setup. With the stock ECU I can also add the Fuel Composition Sensor capability very easily. Also the stock ECU is the ultimate in reliability. LT1SWAP with the ECU unlock service at a reasonable rate makes things easy for a straight turn key.
I like that Holley is aiming for the DIYer segment! I also think this will be a big seller for those who want easy turn key w/o the wiring headache or ECU programming. But I think the Dominator X line is late to the party and will need to justify it's price point vs FITech which looks the same feature set.
To add for the Holley nut huggers... You know why your running LS vs SBC... Because of the cheap Chinesium parts that FAIL in the field that are all chomey and made from aluminum foil! Keep it as much GM as possible and it will live darn near forever. IMO this includes the electronics. YMMV, but the big push from SBC to LS has partly been the lack of quality aftermarket parts.
In summary, I think a loaded Dominator X Max system is still too expensive for the DIY crowd to justify vs the alternatives. (real DIY <> Legoland part$ assemblers)