crainholio

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Pssst...he's in the Netherlands! Ask for Belgian chocolate!

CalEditor

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You should Purge the EVAP system into the engine in my opinion.

1. It is free gas that you would be wasting
2. The Calibration is built for the extra fuel during purge
3. I now that some EVAP Canisters have the Vent Valve built in

I am not saying you need a sealed system and all the EVAP functions.
If the car is out in the sun and the fuel "petro" starts to heat and off gas aka evaporate the canister will store the fuel. Then the PCM will turn the purge valve on and you will use the petro instead of letting it evaporate into the air. Back in the 70's they used evap systems and some device to control purging way before computers came along.

hey I will work up the other stuff now.

pjtimmer

Thanks alot, let me know if I can do or get anything for you, you are a great help for my project.

Peter

pjtimmer

Dear AJ and everyone else,

The evap system is still removed, but now with your advice I will put it back on later. First I would like to finisch the rest of my wiring harness...

I have been looking to the ECM schematics, great help, some stuff is becomming more clear to me, but when all kind of dots and relays are in the drawing I am completly lost.

Here is my updated list of wire connections, I hope you can add and answer my questions... again http://kandycamaro.louispeperzak.nl/temporary/EMC_connections_V-002.xls




Thanks

Peter

CalEditor

iTrader: (1)

Sorry about that Peter. That is just unconscious knowledge to me, but if you don't use the Schematics everyday or you haven't been trained it would leave you in the Dark.

So I will send you the information Key

pjtimmer

Thanks again, I will be looking forward to your email!

Peter

CalEditor

iTrader: (1)

This should help. I guess I forgot to send you some stuff.

Use the IrfanVeiw to rescale and look at the Schematics.

17M compressed

If you need anything let me know.

pjtimmer

Thanks AJ!

I've een looking en reading again, most of the info I received earlier. Some of it is new and very helpfull. Especialy the explaination of the electrical symbols

Have you seen my last xls file? with my latest questions?

I'll send you an email.

Thanks for your help. As soon as I have more questions answered I will post my new xls list for everyone to read!

Peter

CalEditor

iTrader: (1)

On your spread sheet arrange the ECM terminals in number order on the sheet.and add the Circuit Numbers

Connector #1
Pin #1 Circuit # XXX
Pin #2 Circuit # YYY

Connector #2
Pin #1
Pin #2

Then add the Fuse box or fuse boxes

Under Hood Electrical Center aka Fuse Box
Connect #1
Terminal A1 Circuit #123
Terminal A2 Circuit #1234

The Circuit number is key to this

Also you will see circuit #439 and a circuit #1439 and #2439. They are related

Hey do you have the fuse boxes?

CalEditor

iTrader: (1)

I am working on a 86 Monte Carlo LS nick named LSx
I am installing a 05 LS2 and 4L65E from a GTO.
Building the harness this week

I am also installing a M112 on a 04 GMC Sierra this week.

I am hoping to start the turning on the 07 GT500 Clone car this week also. I have been waiting since November. Long Story

Then I promised a guy that I would look at his Buick Grand National this week. I guess it back fires and stalls out.

Last week I finally got my last GM assessment in. I have been waiting to take the assessment for 2 years.

Now I have a day job at a Cadillac dealer and I am working on my house. I have to sell it we have 2 of them.

Some How I manage to handle it all

pjtimmer

WOW, that's a lot! Now I am feeling even more special to get your help...

I am pretty busy too, but unfortunadly not with cars.
The working on my house part is recognisable. Next to that I am a Brand Strategy Advisor at a Brand Identity Agency for some local and European brands. Busy job with many deadlines, but not as busy as your are I think... wow

Hope you can still find a timeslot to help me out, as said before I won't mind paying a bit for your good help!

Thanks

Peter

CalEditor

iTrader: (1)

No problem. Work has been up and down. I spent time at work on this one. Can't do much else, but stand around. Plus it looks like I am doing work related stuff when I am on the GM site

pjtimmer

Great!

pjtimmer

O BTW, I don't have the corvette fuse boxes. And I have to make/ buy one for this engine harness.

And are the wire connections to the ECM any different between a 4L60/5E and the 6L80E.
I am still not sure on the 4L60E I have...

Peter

CalEditor

iTrader: (1)

That Explains a lot

CalEditor

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This is Just Circuit #39 and circuits related to #39.
The circuits are connected in the box

BTW you need a fuse box from an 06 Vette.



I know it is a mess below, but I hope you get my point

Fuse Block - Underhood C2

Pin -- Circuit No. -- Function
A1 -- Not Used
A2 2540 Battery Positive Voltage
A3-A4 -- Not Used
A5 459 A/C Compressor Clutch Relay Control
A6 120 Fuel Pump Supply Voltage
A7-A12 -- Not Used
B1 -- Not Used
B2 817 Vehicle Speed Signal
B3 -- Not Used
B4 -- 439 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
B5 59 A/C Compressor Clutch Supply Voltage
B6 465 Fuel Pump Relay Control
B7-B8 -- Not Used
B9 -- 139 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
B10-B12 -- Not Used
C1-C5 -- Not Used
C8 -- 539 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
- - - - -539 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
C9 -- Not Used
C10 -- - 139 --- Ignition 1 Voltage
- - - - -139 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
C11-C12 -- Not Used
D1-D4 -- Not Used
D5 2840 Battery Positive Voltage
D8 -- 39 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
D9 -- Not Used
D10 -- 339 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
- - - - -339 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
D11 2440 Battery Positive Voltage
2440 Battery Positive Voltage (MYC)
D12 -- Not Used
E1 1250 Ground
E2 -- Not Used
E3 2087 Steering Wheel Position Sensor 5-Volt Reference
2087 Steering Wheel Position Sensor 5-Volt Reference
E4 2088 Steering Wheel Position Sensor Low Reference
2088 Steering Wheel Position Sensor Low Reference
E5 448 Powertrain Diagnostic Enable
E6 -- - 39 -- - Ignition 1 Voltage
39 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
E7 -- - 39 --- Ignition 1 Voltage
- - - - 39 --- Ignition 1 Voltage
E8 -- Not Used
E9 -- 239 --- Ignition 1 Voltage (MM6/MZ6)
E10 -- -339 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
- - - - - 339 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
E11 --- 1239 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
- - - - - 1239 --Ignition 1 Voltage
E12 625 Starter Enable Relay Control
F1 419 Check Engine Indicator Control
F2 -- Not Used
F3 43 Accessory Voltage
43 Accessory Voltage (MYC)
F4 17 Stop Lamp Switch Signal
17 Stop Lamp Switch Signal (MYC)
F5 -- Not Used
F6 121 Engine Speed Signal
F7-F8 -- Not Used
F9 --139 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
139 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
F10 -- 1439 -- Ignition 1 Voltage (MYC)
1035 Starter Relay Coil Supply Voltage (MM6/MZ6)
F11 --1339 -- Ignition 1 Voltage (MYC)
F12 6 Starter Solenoid Crank Voltage



Fuse Block - Underhood C3

Pin -- Circuit No. -- Function
A1 243 Accessory Voltage
243 Accessory Voltage
A2 196 Windshield Wiper Motor Park Switch Signal
196 Windshield Wiper Motor Park Switch Signal
A3 -- Not Used
43 Accessory Voltage (Japan)
A4 17 Stop Lamp Switch Signal
A5 61 Low Reference
A6 1315 Right Front Turn Signal Lamp Supply Voltage
A7 735 Outside Ambient Air Temperature Sensor Signal
A8 -- Not Used
A9 1035 Ignitiondum1 Voltage (MM6/MZ6)
-----1439 - - Ignition 1 Voltage (MYC)
A10 -- Not Used
A11 2282 Headlamp Washer Relay Control
A12 28 Horn Relay Control
B1 1732 Courtesy Lamps Supply Voltage
B2 817 Vehicle Speed Signal
B3 1969 Headlamp High Beam Relay Control
B4 -- Not Used
B5 1740 Battery Positive Voltage
B6 1715 Windshield Wiper Switch High Signal
B7 91 Windshield Wiper Switch Signal 2
B8-B10 -- Not Used
B11 640 Battery Positive Voltage
B12 -- Not Used
C1 -- Not Used
C2 419 Check Engine Indicator Control
C3-C5 -- Not Used
C8 -- Not Used
C9 1080 Park Lamp Relay Control
C10 -- Not Used
C11 9 Park Lamp Supply Voltage
C12 1314 Left Front Turn Signal Lamp Supply Voltage
D1 1550 Ground
D2 95 Windshield Wiper Motor Low Speed Control
D3 92 Windshield Wiper Motor High Speed Control
D4 -- Not Used
D5 2088 Steering Wheel Position Sensor Low Reference
2088 Steering Wheel Position Sensor Low Reference
D8 121 Engine Speed Signal
121 Engine Speed Signal
D9 -- Not Used
D10 193 Rear Defog Relay Control
D11 2440 Battery Positive Voltage
D12 -- Not Used
E1-E3 -- Not Used
E4 109 Hood Ajar Switch Signal (UA2)
E5-E6 -- Not Used
E7 43 Accessory Voltage
43 Accessory Voltage (UZD)
E8 -- 839 -- Ignition 1 Voltage
E9 -- Not Used
E10 1927 Radio Antenna/Rear Window Defog
E11 1139 Ignitiondum1 Voltage
E12 -- Not Used
F1 1970 Headlamp Low Beam Relay Control
1970 Headlamp Low Beam Relay Control
F2 94 Windshield Washer Switch Signal
F3 99 Windsheild Washer Fluid Level Signal
F4 2087 Steering Wheel Position Sensor 5-Volt Reference
2087 Steering Wheel Position Sensor 5-Volt Reference
F5 -- Not Used
F6 9 Park Lamp Supply Voltage
F7-F9 -- Not Used
F10 333 Brake Fluid Level Sensor Signal
F11 1317 Fog Lamp Relay Control
F12 -- Not Used

pjtimmer

Thanks,

I was hoping to use a universial fusebox.
If not I have to find a cheap corvette fuse boxes and have it shipped to the netherlands... $$$

Question about the relay schematic:
Is the RUN CRNK relay the starter relay on the starter?
And is it that the same as relay 43? or is the 43 another relay? and what is RUN/ CRANK Relay bus?

To sum it all up, I need 4 relays:
- an relay for crank voltage (relay 43)
- an relay for powertrain ignition 1 (relay 44)
- an relay for the fuel pump (relay 55)
- an relay for my dual air fans or stock fan control module?



Another question:
And your marked E9 red, but do I need that wire?
(E9 -- 239 --- Ignition 1 Voltage (MM6/MZ6)?)

I probably running ahead of you with all my question, I will try and be patience and wiat for you to fill in my questions on the latest Exel sheet...

Thanks

Peter

CalEditor

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The simplest way is to get a Vette fuse box, but I put a Northstar in a Fiero so I know about doing it the other way.

I will work up some possible ways of doing it with out the OEM box.

pjtimmer

Probably not easy to get the right one here, how about this fuse box for my ignition 1 voltage wires?



Or something like this on current preformance:

http://www.currentperformance.com/Ac...iring_acc.html

Some of the wires can be routed true my original camaro fusebox (I have a new American Auto Wire Update Harness).

Will this make it harder? Or just a bit more work?

Peter

CalEditor

iTrader: (1)

Thank for that.

I hope you get a deal on a fuse box. I will start looking up how to connect it to an older car or a conversion.