Originally Posted by 1981TA

I don't want to come off as a smartass, but looking at this from a business perspective, the time and expense of dealing with this will exceed the 10 hours of labor and aggravation you wish to be compensated for. I know you're a little steamed right now and can understand why--we've all had some setback in our respective projects that we thought could have been prevented if a maker or vendor had done a bit more homework or QA.

I'm pissed at FAST right now. I've got a efi system that arrived new with bad wiring and a faulty map sensor.I'm out 10 + hours of troubleshooting and I've got a track event this weekend. It didn't even occur to me to ding them for my labor, as I've already factored Murphys Law into my build. Not worth the bother and high blood pressure. Yes, i will try to stick them for parts. If that fails, reputational damage will be next on my list. After that, I'm done. I can't keep focusing on a grudge without it costing me elsewhere.

Life is too short.

Originally Posted by 84c10

So your going to take a 100million dollar company to court over these items not fitting to your standards? you had the option to return these parts for a full refund and chose not to do so. you are the one that spent 10+ hrs test fitting, no one requested this to be done for development. you have also spent enough time bashing on here to remove the items and have them on the way back for the full refund. there are so many variables between older cars there is no way to accommodate all of them. I know for a fact that Holley will work with you on the return of these items and will listen to your findings during the 10+hr install if you want to share the info, but I highly doubt they will send you engineering salary for your time spent. id be more concerned about getting my car on the road and enjoying it then bashing on a forum. this is all just my opinion. good luck to you and your build.

Originally Posted by RowJon13

I have built many cars over the years, both smooth and not so smooth builds. When I had fitment issues or questionable concerns about the part, I would call the tech line. If there response did not suit my expectations, I would then arrange to ship the part back instead of reinventing the wheel. Compared to 35 years ago when I built my first car, the quality is better now but there is still some "backyard" mechanic engineering needed from time to time. That is what hot rodding is all about unless you have the big bucks to have someone build it for you.

Originally Posted by Toddoky

It has been discovered by yourself and Holley that the early Firebird and Camaro subframes have different engine mount hole pattern layouts, which requires a deviation in the drilling procedure listed for the Camaro to get them in installed in a Firebird such as yours.

Other than that difference, the parts fit both vehicles. The crossmember includes two angle brackets that are used to attach the crossmember to the side wall of the subframe when there is an alignment disparity between your trans mount and the top holes in the frame; it's defined on page 3 of the crossmember instructions in step #5. You chose to do it another way instead of asking to return the product(s) if you didn't like the installation method/requirements as mentioned by another previous poster.

Even after that, Holley offered to give you a full refund for the parts and you think that is somehow underhanded?

There is a 71 Firebird similar to yours being assembled in the lab right now using the same engine brackets and crossmember as you have and aside from the revision to the hole drilling operation for the mounts everything bolted right in due to the fact that the crossmember instructions were followed as written.

You're obviously not satisfied with the parts, so why not send them back?

Originally Posted by usdmholden

I think you are being unreasonable.

I believe Holley has offered you a reasonable solution.

Frankly your time is worth zero. If you don't want your time to be worth zero, don't participate in a hobby.

Originally Posted by usdmholden

I think you are being unreasonable.

I believe Holley has offered you a reasonable solution.

Frankly your time is worth zero. If you don't want your time to be worth zero, don't participate in a hobby.

Originally Posted by 350SS

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Originally Posted by usdmholden

I think you are being unreasonable.

I believe Holley has offered you a reasonable solution.

Frankly your time is worth zero. If you don't want your time to be worth zero, don't participate in a hobby.

Originally Posted by cpd004

I too used Holley/Hooker engine mounts and cross member in my 71 Ls3/4L60E swap. When setting up the template, I immediately noticed that it seemed 'off' just before drilling. I decided to install the mounts to the engine and drop it in to see exactly where everything would land using the trans cross member as a location point. I was happy I didn't drill it before as it would have been way off. I contacted Holley to see what may be the issue. I was told that my sub frame was incorrect and may have been changed. I did feel as though they blew me off a bit explaining to them that everything else fit on the vehicle so how could this be?

I still used all their components but had to mark where the mounts had to be drilled. I still feel they make excellent products despite this issue. It looks like this may be resolved soon...I feel sooner if they would've looked into it when I brought it up.

The biggest pain in the *** was dropping the motor in a few times trying not scratch anything.

I talked about it here in Post #42:

http://transamcountry.com/community/...topic=68544.40

The world of car building is not an exact science. It seems to me that Holley is willing to give you your money back for their product. Your time on is on you as you decided to modify what was working in the beginning.