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Old Aug 30, 2018 | 09:25 PM
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I've got a stock 5.3 and 4l60 in my c10 at the moment with a mechanical clutch fan. I'm planning on power tour next year and I'm going to do dual electric fans (building a new harness anyway). I'm running a stock Silverado radiator, should that be big enough or will I need something bigger? I don't have money for a fancy aluminum rad, as much as I would like one. Also other cooling tips are appreciated.
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That should be plenty big enough if the electric fans are well shrouded on the backside of the radiator to pull air through the rad fins. Is the PCM controlling the fans and if yes, what temperatures? My first fan is supposed to come on at 190 degrees F, the second fan is on at 210 degrees F and then both go off at 190 F.

Don't forget to deal with the steam line and the "Jags That Run" web site has plenty of different size rad hose adapters with that type of fitting for the steam line.

Are you using the transmission cooler in the Silverado radiator?

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Old Sep 1, 2018 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by B52bombardier1
That should be plenty big enough if the electric fans are well shrouded on the backside of the radiator to pull air through the rad fins. Is the PCM controlling the fans and if yes, what temperatures? My first fan is supposed to come on at 190 degrees F, the second fan is on at 210 degrees F and then both go off at 190 F.

Don't forget to deal with the steam line and the "Jags That Run" web site has plenty of different size rad hose adapters with that type of fitting for the steam line.

Are you using the transmission cooler in the Silverado radiator?

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the truck has a stock 01 mechanical fan, but I will be using the computer to control electric fans in the future. I am still running the stock trans cooler in the rad.
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Old Sep 1, 2018 | 10:58 AM
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I've just started driving my 68 C10 LS1/T56 swap. I used a big Griffin universal dual pass radiator. Not real hot up here in MN about mid 80's and I run about 180 in traffic. I like the dual pass because it puts the inlet and outlet on the passenger side. Cleans up the radiator hose routing. For a fan I've used a single 16" Spal fan with great success. On my 73 Camaro LS3 swap (same radiator and fan) we got stuck in traffic while on the Power Tour. 3 hours to go three miles. Never overheated. Fan controlled by the computer. On at 205. Off at 195. I like welding a bung in the upper part of the radiator tank for the steam line. I have drilled and tapped the water pump for the steam line but if water pump dies out on the road you have to be able drill and tap the water pump. Jags that run does offer a hose coupler with a pipe tap fitting for the vent line.
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Old Sep 1, 2018 | 03:16 PM
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Reference Material-The GM radiators that come in the 2006 & later trucks, that have the factory DUAL electric fan set ups ROCK! However, they are 35" (core width) wide and will not fit in a 1970 C-10. I know because I bought the fans, and radiator, only to find out that they would not fit. No loss-I put them into my sons 2002 Silverado.

On the '70 we took the old radiator out of my sons truck, which is 28" core width, then used a 2 speed electric fan off a 1997 Ford Thunderbird. We have the PCM set up to run both stages of the fan. The fit is perfect. The thunder-chicken fan is a perfect fit to that radiator height wise, but is not as wide as the core is. No problem, we were charging the A/C the other day and idling in 105 degree temps for over an hour it never got close to over-heating. The fan was cycling between low, and high, but the engine temp never exceeded 210. If it never over-heated that way, it should not have any issues running down the road. I think your '68 is dimensionally the same as my '70. The Thunder-chicken fan pulls a LOT of air.

You will have to run 2 relays to utilize the high, and low, speeds on the fan if using your GM PCM to control them. I can give you a wiring diagram if you would like. You will need 1 4 pin relay, and 1 5 pin relay. It's not difficult. If I can help you, please let me know. Also, factory 2002 Chevrolet Suburban upper & lower radiator hoses will fit if using the GM 28" radiator. You will have to cut them a little shorter, but they fit and look factory when trimmed to length. Forgot to mention that the plastic side tanks sit right on the factory rubber supports in the C-10! It's almost like GM knew we would be doing this swap.
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Old Sep 1, 2018 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Kawabuggy
You will have to run 2 relays to utilize the high, and low, speeds on the fan if using your GM PCM to control them. I can give you a wiring diagram if you would like. You will need 1 4 pin relay, and 1 5 pin relay. It's not difficult. If I can help you, please let me know. Also, factory 2002 Chevrolet Suburban upper & lower radiator hoses will fit if using the GM 28" radiator. You will have to cut them a little shorter, but they fit and look factory when trimmed to length. Forgot to mention that the plastic side tanks sit right on the factory rubber supports in the C-10! It's almost like GM knew we would be doing this swap.
Hey Kawabuggy, I'd like to see the wiring diagram if you don't mind - I'm just about at the point where I can use that to wire up my own radiator fans. Thanks in advance!
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Great information guys! I'd like to see that diagram as well please!
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Truck actually burned up the 3-4 high gear clutches today... also 2n is slipping pretty good. thinking about running a separate trans cooler. Thoughts? Does it help at all?
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Old Sep 2, 2018 | 09:24 AM
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my thought is put an 80e in there
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Old Sep 2, 2018 | 09:38 AM
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I always run a separate trans cooler in front of the radiator so the cooling fan pulls air thru when the car is moving slowly and the fan comes on. I've used the "stacked fin" coolers. -6 lines to and from the trans.
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Old Sep 2, 2018 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by truckdoug
my thought is put an 80e in there
As much as I would like to, I can't find any around here. Not at a price I can afford anyway.
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Old Sep 2, 2018 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 72c10ep
Truck actually burned up the 3-4 high gear clutches today... also 2n is slipping pretty good. thinking about running a separate trans cooler. Thoughts? Does it help at all?
The rule of thumb that I've heard is that for every 20* F drop in auto-transmission fluid temperature, transmission life is nearly doubled. Haven't tested that myself, & I don't recall where I heard that from, so take that for what it's worth. Also, I'm sure that it's possible to over-cool the fluid as well. Probably something that's worth researching before spending much time/money on it...
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TruckDoug FOR THE WIN! The 80E is THE way to go. I build, sell, and install them here in Houston.

If you think the price is too high for a 4L80E, factor in how much you will spend over the next 5 years trying to get a 4L60E to survive any type of abuse. The cost to retain the 60E will surpass the cost to swap over to the 80E. But, you will be spreading out the cost of constantly swapping 60E transmissions over time, whereas an 80E conversion will take a substantial investment all at one time... But ONLY that one time.
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Old Sep 2, 2018 | 01:13 PM
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Trying to insert a copy of fan relays.. Let's see if this works..
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...n%20relays.png
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Originally Posted by Kawabuggy
TruckDoug FOR THE WIN! The 80E is THE way to go. I build, sell, and install them here in Houston.

If you think the price is too high for a 4L80E, factor in how much you will spend over the next 5 years trying to get a 4L60E to survive any type of abuse. The cost to retain the 60E will surpass the cost to swap over to the 80E. But, you will be spreading out the cost of constantly swapping 60E transmissions over time, whereas an 80E conversion will take a substantial investment all at one time... But ONLY that one time.
I'd love to, only problem is im still in high school and I've spent most of my money rebuilding my totally stock 5.3 after it was hurt by pieces of sheet metal in the intake (from the junkyard) that went into the cylinders. So I want to keep costs low for now, but I do plan on an 80e before any serious power. Want to just get it to drive through senior year and power tour next summer on stock motor then some stupid power after that
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I buy my 80e's from the u pull it junkyard for $200. if there are no chunks of the case in the bottom of the pan, it'll run. HD2 kit and throw the boost at 'em


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[QUOTE=truckdoug;19960836]I buy my 80e's from the u pull it junkyard for $200. if there are no chunks of the case in the bottom of the pan, it'll run. HD2 kit and throw the boost at 'em

Ah a fellow denmah follower? Lol. Our local lkq pulls the 4l80's before they hit the yard
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If money is tight right now just use the mechanical setup and make the shroud fit.
You can always add the electric fans later, plus nothing pulls more air than a mechanical fan.
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Originally Posted by LS1 pwrd NOVA
If money is tight right now just use the mechanical setup and make the shroud fit.
You can always add the electric fans later, plus nothing pulls more air than a mechanical fan.

I agree. If you're having transmission problems then spend your money there. Running cool doesn't matter if you can't drive it. I have been running a mechanical fan with a stock radiator and shroud in my '71 C10 for years and it doesn't overheat even with the A/C on. If it was good enough for the millions of Chevy trucks made then it's good enough for yours.
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Even tho a mechanical robs power, I’d rather have one as they’ve never let me down.
An electric can let you down easier in my opinion.
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