Conversions & Swaps LSX Engines in Non-LSX Vehicles
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

I.R.S. choices

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 15, 2019 | 05:26 PM
  #1  
33willys's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 699
Likes: 59
From: Alamogordo, NM
Default I.R.S. choices

I'm trying to school myself on which I.R.S. is best for my '39 Chevy. There is SOME info on the different setups but seems to be nothing on narrowing a unit. The new Jag looks good and air bags would slip in where the coils are now but the gears seem all wrong. Ford Expedition is 67" wide and can't even find a picture to see if it can be narrowed. The new Mustang (2015 -) would be nice to but gears are a problem. I only have 7" from the back of my 8.8 now to the gas tank and would like to keep the stock tank. Also would like to use air bags in place of coils which sorta rules out 'Vettes. Anyone narrowed or installed an I.R.S. unit that can shed light on this subject. Thanks.
Reply
Old May 15, 2019 | 05:59 PM
  #2  
G Atsma's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 22,291
Likes: 3,616
From: Central Cal.
Default

Have you looked at Heidt's IRS setup? I don't know which widths it is available in, but I bet a call to them will answer that.
Reply
Old May 15, 2019 | 07:13 PM
  #3  
33willys's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 699
Likes: 59
From: Alamogordo, NM
Default

Heidt's would be grand BUT at $10,000 plus it's not an option.
Reply
Old May 15, 2019 | 08:06 PM
  #4  
G Atsma's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 22,291
Likes: 3,616
From: Central Cal.
Default

Originally Posted by 33willys
Heidt's would be grand BUT at $10,000 plus it's not an option.
Understood. Just thought I would throw that in there. I also didn't know they were so proud of their stuff! Sorry about that!
Reply
Old May 15, 2019 | 11:26 PM
  #5  
33willys's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 699
Likes: 59
From: Alamogordo, NM
Default

Looking more for info on narrowing a unit such as an Expedition or T'Bird, etc.
Reply
Old May 16, 2019 | 08:12 AM
  #6  
79LS1FOX's Avatar
TECH Regular
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 441
Likes: 36
Default

Don't they narrow the Ford 8.8 IRS to put in the Miata's, don't know about bagging them tho, you could check some of the Miata build threads.
Reply
Old May 16, 2019 | 08:55 AM
  #7  
garys 68's Avatar
TECH Junkie
15 Year Member
Photogenic
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,724
Likes: 39
From: Camdenton, MO
Default

Any chance a gto rear would fit without narrowing?
Reply
Old May 16, 2019 | 12:14 PM
  #8  
stevieturbo's Avatar
9 Second Club
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 13,616
Likes: 185
From: Norn Iron
Default

Gen5 rears bound to be cheap and strong ?
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-5

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

 
story-9

10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

 Verdad Gallardo
Old May 16, 2019 | 12:30 PM
  #9  
33willys's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 699
Likes: 59
From: Alamogordo, NM
Default

GTO uses an A arm that is canted in such a way they can't be narrowed. Had one local for a good price but just would not lend itself to my application. Frustrating.

I have heard about the Miata and trying to research it a bit.

Gen 5 Camaro?
Reply
Old May 16, 2019 | 01:23 PM
  #10  
mgbgts's Avatar
On The Tree
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 141
Likes: 70
From: Central Ohio
Default

What width do you need? I'm using an E36 chassis BMW IRS in my project. The stock width I measured from outsid of the tires with stock BMW wheels is 63 1/2". Haven't measured from flange to flange as I haven't removed it from the donor yet.
Reply
Old May 16, 2019 | 01:52 PM
  #11  
1964SS's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,539
Likes: 84
From: Mesa, Arizona
Default

Originally Posted by 33willys
I'm trying to school myself on which I.R.S. is best for my '39 Chevy. There is SOME info on the different setups but seems to be nothing on narrowing a unit. The new Jag looks good and air bags would slip in where the coils are now but the gears seem all wrong. Ford Expedition is 67" wide and can't even find a picture to see if it can be narrowed. The new Mustang (2015 -) would be nice to but gears are a problem. I only have 7" from the back of my 8.8 now to the gas tank and would like to keep the stock tank. Also would like to use air bags in place of coils which sorta rules out 'Vettes. Anyone narrowed or installed an I.R.S. unit that can shed light on this subject. Thanks.
Why would that rule out the corvette IRS? They have been used in every type of vehicle including pickup trucks. Here's a link that might be helpful. I don't see why you couldn't use a shockwave air setup in place of the coil overs on these.

http://flatout-engineering.com/produ...tallation-kit/
Reply
Old May 16, 2019 | 02:33 PM
  #12  
stevieturbo's Avatar
9 Second Club
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 13,616
Likes: 185
From: Norn Iron
Default

Originally Posted by mgbgts
What width do you need? I'm using an E36 chassis BMW IRS in my project. The stock width I measured from outsid of the tires with stock BMW wheels is 63 1/2". Haven't measured from flange to flange as I haven't removed it from the donor yet.
True, dozens of BMW options, or even from 4wd Audi's or VW cars. Subaru or various rwd Jap stuff.
Reply
Old May 16, 2019 | 05:23 PM
  #13  
33willys's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 699
Likes: 59
From: Alamogordo, NM
Default

The C4 'Vette has some odd gears with the most popular being 2.73, then 3.06. I'm sure I could replace the composite leaf with a set of air bags. Looking at the Expedition (late model) with 331 gears. Would have to narrow it and build mounting points but that is true of just about all the I.R.S. out there. The off shore stuff (minus Jag) comes with unknown gears and maybe no options for replacement gears. Not sure about how strong they would be. Can' find pictures of just about any of the systems.
Reply
Old May 17, 2019 | 10:05 AM
  #14  
gnx7's Avatar
TECH Junkie
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (28)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,655
Likes: 277
From: San Francisco, CA
Default

What about something like this? 3.42 gearing, huge diff.... plus 7 speed manual trans...
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...post1599417952
Reply
Old May 17, 2019 | 12:48 PM
  #15  
33willys's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 699
Likes: 59
From: Alamogordo, NM
Default

The gears are right BUUUUT there are a few other problems that it would cause. First is the $3500, then the back seat issue. It would take up just about the whole back seat except for maybe a single cheeked person. Upgrade the engine from an LM4 to a gen V too...not a bad idea. LOL
Reply
Old May 17, 2019 | 01:36 PM
  #16  
gnx7's Avatar
TECH Junkie
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (28)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,655
Likes: 277
From: San Francisco, CA
Default

You can run a Gen3/4 engine with a C5/6 torque tube and driveshaft and have a 7 speed manual
Reply
Old May 17, 2019 | 08:19 PM
  #17  
33willys's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 699
Likes: 59
From: Alamogordo, NM
Default


Nope, already have a headache LOL. Sprung for a late model Expedition which does not have a cradle and can't find any pictures of the naked rear end so it's feel my way thru this project. Intend to take pics and document just hope it's not a failure. I think the best way to go is build a back half on the bench then scab it into the car. Thinking of using pre-bent rails this time.
Reply
Old May 29, 2019 | 06:56 PM
  #18  
33willys's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 699
Likes: 59
From: Alamogordo, NM
Default I.r.s.

Got a package today, larger than I though it should be. This is an I.R.S. from a 2010 Expedition and it's big and heavy. I'll need to narrow it about 8 inches but how I'm not sure yet. Need to mock it up on the table, then cut. TBC....


Reply
Old May 30, 2019 | 07:01 PM
  #19  
33willys's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Enthusiast
10 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 699
Likes: 59
From: Alamogordo, NM
Default I.r.s.

Broke down what I could and here are the axles, brakes and center section. This stuff is large and I'll be looking into trying to adapt a smaller disc rather than go to a bigger wheel. The Expedition weighs twice what my '39 does so I really don't need the extra braking power. As I start to build I'll post a few pictures.


Reply
Old May 31, 2019 | 05:47 AM
  #20  
ls1nova71's Avatar
TECH Veteran
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 4,406
Likes: 211
From: Liberty, MO
Default

Wouldn't an Explorer have been better suited than an Expedition?
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:28 AM.

story-0
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-1
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-2
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-5
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-6
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-7
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE