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Old Jan 10, 2022 | 09:14 PM
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If you have fuel in the oil stop cranking it.. drain it.. Once you have clean oil, crank it with a timing light ready and put the timing light probe on each wire a short bump on each plug you should know quickly if its firing on enough cylinders to run.

Pull the pump fuse and fire it off on some starting fluid to just to purge things out.. GO easy on the fluid you just want ti to turn its head an cough.

Put the fuse back and use a tiny shot of starting fluid and turn the key briskly clear to crank so it doesn't do its prime cycle. You want it to fire off on the ether and get momentum to start.

I have a cheapo IR thermometer from Harbor Freight that works for checking each manifold leg/cylinder to see which ones are firing once it lights up, Quick way to tell which side is lighting off.

If your topping off the fuel mixing old with new, use 87 not high octane, the lower octane atomizes easier and lights off easier... You won't be doing any WOT stuff right away..
Always has worked for me when bringing a old car back from storage..

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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 03:40 AM
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fuel air compression spark - which does it not have?

even in the video of it "running", that thing is on the struggle bus for sure. sounds like its barely keeping its head above water about to drown. i have an L59 on my test stand right now and this is what it sounds like when it runs:


i would check your spark situation, seems like you've put a lot of thought into the fuel side but havent checked spark at each cylinder yet.

also, are you using the injectors that came on the motor from the factory? or OEM replacements? if not, the tune could have the wrong data for the injectors, which would definitely cause some issues.

if you press the gas pedal, does the throttle body move? drive by wire systems dont have an IAC, they just modulate the throttle body to control idle.
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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JonHerrington
Rebuilt the engine after pulling from junkyard. So all tests have been completed on completely rebuilt engine. Didn't rebuild valves, those sealed well. But bottom end and cam is new. Pistons, rings, bearings etc.

You're correct. Pcm was sent to lt1 swap.com guy and harness to Novak to rework.

I told myself If I get 10,000 miles out of this engine I'll be happy. It was a learning experience and wasn't really fun to do because of the stress of keeping everything clean. Plus one of the oil rings was squished between the ring compressor and the piston and left a mark on the cylinder wall. It seems to have sealed up well as there's no compression problem, but I could have ruined the engine. So never again. LOL
Im going to get the computer looked at by a local tuning shop and see if everything in it matches what my setup is.
If your score the cylinder a little bit that wont be an issue, your compression check verifies that. rule of thumb, if your finger nail catches on it, then its a concern. Also, if you ever do another rebuild, always lap the valves and get new stem seals, easy $30 insurance for a good seal.

when you swapped the cam and crank, do you know if you have a 24x crank and 1x cam, or a 58x crank 4x cam reluctor set up? i know a previous post was asking about it, but it is crucial with the PCM your using and will throw off timing, could explain why you only firing off on a few cylinders.

Check the wiring, it will be annoying and tedious, but you will be kicking yourself in the *** if it isnt wired correctly or you have an open somewhere causing this.


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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by b_the_j
sounds similar to coil harnesses on wrong sides of engine. try flipping them side to side.
THIS! this got me once, but came across more of a back fire
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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT_LBA
If your score the cylinder a little bit that wont be an issue, your compression check verifies that. rule of thumb, if your finger nail catches on it, then its a concern. Also, if you ever do another rebuild, always lap the valves and get new stem seals, easy $30 insurance for a good seal.

when you swapped the cam and crank, do you know if you have a 24x crank and 1x cam, or a 58x crank 4x cam reluctor set up? i know a previous post was asking about it, but it is crucial with the PCM your using and will throw off timing, could explain why you only firing off on a few cylinders.

Check the wiring, it will be annoying and tedious, but you will be kicking yourself in the *** if it isnt wired correctly or you have an open somewhere causing this.
So, I have no clue what the difference looks like with the two different cam reluctors...I may be able to find the part number that I bought, but I certainly don't remember me putting anything on the back of the cam after I bought it besides some thick engine lube.
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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 10:53 AM
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Nothing goes on the back of the cam. It's either already there or it won't be. Cams that go into a Gen III will have a pair of semi-circles around the shaft right next to the rear bearing. Almost all aftermarket cams will have them too. The cam sprocket will either be just a plain sprocket (Gen III) or it will have either a 180-degree raised part (24x crank reluctor) or 4 raised parts at 90 degrees apart (58x crank reluctor). If these get mixed up it will start hard.
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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JonHerrington
So, I have no clue what the difference looks like with the two different cam reluctors...I may be able to find the part number that I bought, but I certainly don't remember me putting anything on the back of the cam after I bought it besides some thick engine lube.


Gen III 1x Cam reluctor will look like C and D, Gen IV will be A and B. these go on the front of the cam and is used as the cam sprocket. Cams for Gen III motors will have a ring on the back as well where the cam sensor is located behind the intake. Gen IV motors have the Cam Sensor on the front engine cover. Need to make sure what cam reluctor you have. if it looks like C and D then you need a 24x crank reluctor. if the cam reluctor looks like A or B, then you need a 58X reluctor.

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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 12:35 PM
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Gen III engine cams have "split rings", or two raised half circles, right in front of the rear bearing. It does not function as or look like a sprocket in any way.
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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT_LBA


Gen III 1x Cam reluctor will look like C and D, Gen IV will be A and B. these go on the front of the cam and is used as the cam sprocket. Cams for Gen III motors will have a sprocket on the back as well where the cam sensor is located behind the intake. Gen IV motors have the Cam Sensor on the front engine cover. Need to make sure what cam reluctor you have. if it looks like C and D then you need a 24x crank reluctor. if the cam reluctor looks like A or B, then you need a 58X reluctor.
I have a D.
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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 02:47 PM
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I'm going to pull the injectors and see if they spray when I turn the engine over. Boom. I'll have that figured out.
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Old Jan 11, 2022 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JonHerrington
I'm going to pull the injectors and see if they spray when I turn the engine over. Boom. I'll have that figured out.
Test for spark at EACH coil first.
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
Gen III engine cams have "split rings", or two raised half circles, right in front of the rear bearing. It does not function as or look like a sprocket in any way.
Correct, typo on my part. Been corrected
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 05:24 AM
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OP, are you sure you have a 24x reluctor? You stated you have a new bottom end, i would assume that includes the crank. Reluctors come welded to the cranks. You can either check your order sheet or pull the crank sensor and take a peek.
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT_LBA
OP, are you sure you have a 24x reluctor? You stated you have a new bottom end, i would assume that includes the crank. Reluctors come welded to the cranks. You can either check your order sheet or pull the crank sensor and take a peek.
Yessir. I only polished the crank when rebuilding and I've got a picture that confirms I've got the right crank in there. Thanks!

I've found a few threads with my same problem with most of them never having a resolution. There was a guy that posted on Facebook with a similar problem who said his fix was adjusting a few grounds and the gas tank was causing a vacuum.

Also, I've got a question. I have the gas tank canister purge valve sitting on top of the intake with an open end on the hose because I haven't hooked up the EVAP system. Is that valve normally open or closed? Could that be causing an air leak causing no start?

Also, can someone explain why a leak in the intake can drastically decrease performance? It's getting air in the system regardless if it's pulled from the front of the intake versus a leak in a gasket or brake vaccums line not being hooked up.
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 08:17 AM
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The leak bypasses the maf, map, and last and least the air temp sensor. All sensors don’t recognize the bypassing air and the engine runs lean at that point. I would certainly check all of the wiring black is ground which most if not all go to the back of the head, pink is positive in the run start position.

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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 09:14 AM
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Man I'm feeling your pain, been following along cause I'm going through the same kinda thing. I also have my purge valve disconnected but I did cap the end with some electrical tape, made me laugh when you posted that, if that's the problem haha. Good luck! I also thought about the gas tank not venting so I do have the gas cap propped up just in case.

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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sgo70
Man I'm feeling your pain, been following along cause I'm going through the same kinda thing. I also have my purge valve disconnected but I did cap the end with some electrical tape, made me laugh when you posted that, if that's the problem haha. Good luck! I also thought about the gas tank not venting so I do have the gas cap propped up just in case.

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I've just realized I didn't have a cap on the tank for a little bit. Now, it's got an anti siphon valve at the gas cap so people can't steal gas because jeeps dont have locking gas caps from the factory. But some rain water may have gotten in the tank.

If anyone has removed the fuel pump from a jeep knows why I've been dreading this. It's held in by some plastic threaded peice that you have to try to catch threads while compressing the pump setup into the tank. It's horrible and the engineers that designed it should have done better.

Now, I don't believe this is the reason for my no start, because it did this before the jeep sat, but it gives me a chance to look through the pump.

But first, I'll verify the grounds at the PCM to make sure they're actually getting ground to the pcm from the harness. That sounds like a good plan. The wiring harness is actually grounded to the body, which has a jumper ground from the block. I think the harness was stretched if I grounded it to the block. Nonetheless I'll check it out.
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sgo70
Man I'm feeling your pain, been following along cause I'm going through the same kinda thing. I also have my purge valve disconnected but I did cap the end with some electrical tape, made me laugh when you posted that, if that's the problem haha. Good luck! I also thought about the gas tank not venting so I do have the gas cap propped up just in case.

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Also, I had just thought about it and was my gosh. If that's the reason all along I'm a big dummy. We will see. I doubt it, but blocking that off can't hurt.
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 12:13 PM
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Okay, so I ran over to the exhaust shop were the jeep sits, I checked continuity between positive to the ground strap that connects the jeep harness, LS harness and the strap from the block and got a good strong beep there. So I don't think it's a grounding problem.

The LS swap guru of my area is going to the exhaust shop to check out a Chevy pickup that's LS1 swapped. I'll contact him to see if he can check out the jeep as well.
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Old Jan 12, 2022 | 05:53 PM
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If you look at a wiring diagram, all of the grounds go to the back of the head individually. It isn’t one ground wire. Just something to check
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