Crazy idea but.. ..Hydrogen Powered LS3?
Crazy idea but.. ..Hydrogen Powered LS3? I am just dead curious here. In the event that it becomes difficult to purchase gasoline and our nation pushes EV's and possibly Hydrogen.. ..would it be possible to convert my LS3 to run purely on Hydrogen Gas? I am basically asking is it possible to run an ICE motor on pure hydrogen safely and receive similar power outputs.
How about propane, IIRC 110 octane, easy to get everywhere, conversions available. Used to be able to get a tax credit for conversion, not sure if the gov offers that.
I am just dead curious here. In the event that it becomes difficult to purchase gasoline and our nation pushes EV's and possibly Hydrogen.. ..would it be possible to convert my LS3 to run purely on Hydrogen Gas? I am basically asking is it possible to run an ICE motor on pure hydrogen safely and receive similar power outputs.
That would be an excellent method of creating power, since the only emissions would be pure water, but I don't think that an ICE block could handle the explosive force of the hydrogen and oxygen mixture.
I see. Just wondering, if we were only supplying just enough hydrogren to make the power we make on a regular gasoline powered engine, wouldn't the BTU's be equivalent and also be within tolerance of the durability of the block?
Perhaps. I have often wondered the same thing, but an engineer told me that the hydrogen/oxygen explosion would probably break the block.
Where are you gonna source your H2?
FWIW - most “hydrogen powered” vehicles are powered by fuel cells which are used to power electric motors and charge batteries.
Scroll down past the climate change pornography for a discussion of H2 as a fuel in IC engines.
https://www.clarke-energy.com/2019/hydrogen-future-fuel/#:~:text=Gas%20engines%20have%20the%20capability%2 0to%20burn%20gases,gas%20engines%20will%20be%20dis cussed%20in%20this%20paper.
FWIW - most “hydrogen powered” vehicles are powered by fuel cells which are used to power electric motors and charge batteries.
Scroll down past the climate change pornography for a discussion of H2 as a fuel in IC engines.
https://www.clarke-energy.com/2019/hydrogen-future-fuel/#:~:text=Gas%20engines%20have%20the%20capability%2 0to%20burn%20gases,gas%20engines%20will%20be%20dis cussed%20in%20this%20paper.
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The fly in the soup with hydrogen is really just fear,, "Hindenburg Syndrome" and the energy cost to make it,, funny thing,, most Hydrogen for vehicle use in the US is made from Natural gas, with micro-membrane tech..
Hydrogen is very hard to make an explosion with, it does not contain well, and because it is so light any fire goes straight up.
The tanks "could" be made from carbon fiber/kevlar and weigh almost nothing.. But poor understanding and bad science kill yet another option.
In the Hindenburg accident the injuries were burning material like the skin of the blimp falling on people and most of the deaths were falling because people panicked and jumped out of the blimp.
Compared to any modern aircraft crash the Hindenburg was minor based on survival rate and SHOULD have demonstrated the safety not the risk of the. aircraft, I've always considered it one of the earliest epic examples of the media poisoning a topic based on grand standing and fear..
During the Obama administration almost all the incentives for Natural Gas, Hydrogen fuel options were dropped in favor of EV tech..
Obama as a senator was the writer of all the rules that governed the interstate transport laws. So he had a history of interest in transportation.
Ford used to offer a natural gas option in nearly every model they sold, Honda had them, Jeep had them, when the incentives to develop got killed so did the OEM models available..
Hydrogen is very hard to make an explosion with, it does not contain well, and because it is so light any fire goes straight up.
The tanks "could" be made from carbon fiber/kevlar and weigh almost nothing.. But poor understanding and bad science kill yet another option.
In the Hindenburg accident the injuries were burning material like the skin of the blimp falling on people and most of the deaths were falling because people panicked and jumped out of the blimp.
Compared to any modern aircraft crash the Hindenburg was minor based on survival rate and SHOULD have demonstrated the safety not the risk of the. aircraft, I've always considered it one of the earliest epic examples of the media poisoning a topic based on grand standing and fear..
During the Obama administration almost all the incentives for Natural Gas, Hydrogen fuel options were dropped in favor of EV tech..
Obama as a senator was the writer of all the rules that governed the interstate transport laws. So he had a history of interest in transportation.
Ford used to offer a natural gas option in nearly every model they sold, Honda had them, Jeep had them, when the incentives to develop got killed so did the OEM models available..
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Verdad Gallardo "Hydrogen is very hard to make an explosion with..." https://h2tools.org/bestpractices/hy...ed-other-fuels Hydrogen will combust through a MUCH larger range of air/fuel ratio than fossil fuels -- pretty easy to oxidize. It does not want to stay H2 - it wants badly to become something else. Contrary to popular myth - gasoline/propane/LPG/Methane don't 'explode' in the combustion chamber. They burn. Hydrogen burns very easily.
The fly in the soup (for H2 as a fuel in IC engines) is MUCH bigger than fear. The biggest problem (that no one talks about) is that the amount of energy it takes to split the H2 molecules out of water or natural gas is very high. So the cost ($ and emissions) of GETTING the H2 fuel in the first place is problematic. It is a very volatile substance -- H2 wants badly to chemically turn into something else -- which is why the only way to get H2 is to break down some other substance, usually water or natural gas. So handling it takes great care. Because the molecule is so small, confining it without leaks is a challenge. It can harden/embrittle certain metals over time; it can form into a variety of acids which cause corrosion - that has to be carefully considered when you design facilities to transport and store it. And we have ZERO infrastructure in place for any of this -- getting the free form H2 in the first place, cleaning it up, transporting it, storing it, "burning" it. And even when we do all that -- we likely won't gain as much at the tailpipe as it took to create the H2 in the first place.
We're likely to see it used in fuel cells before any widespread use in IC engines.
The fly in the soup (for H2 as a fuel in IC engines) is MUCH bigger than fear. The biggest problem (that no one talks about) is that the amount of energy it takes to split the H2 molecules out of water or natural gas is very high. So the cost ($ and emissions) of GETTING the H2 fuel in the first place is problematic. It is a very volatile substance -- H2 wants badly to chemically turn into something else -- which is why the only way to get H2 is to break down some other substance, usually water or natural gas. So handling it takes great care. Because the molecule is so small, confining it without leaks is a challenge. It can harden/embrittle certain metals over time; it can form into a variety of acids which cause corrosion - that has to be carefully considered when you design facilities to transport and store it. And we have ZERO infrastructure in place for any of this -- getting the free form H2 in the first place, cleaning it up, transporting it, storing it, "burning" it. And even when we do all that -- we likely won't gain as much at the tailpipe as it took to create the H2 in the first place.
We're likely to see it used in fuel cells before any widespread use in IC engines.
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"Hydrogen is very hard to make an explosion with..." https://h2tools.org/bestpractices/hy...ed-other-fuels Hydrogen will combust through a MUCH larger range of air/fuel ratio than fossil fuels -- pretty easy to oxidize. It does not want to stay H2 - it wants badly to become something else. Contrary to popular myth - gasoline/propane/LPG/Methane don't 'explode' in the combustion chamber. They burn. Hydrogen burns very easily.
The fly in the soup (for H2 as a fuel in IC engines) is MUCH bigger than fear. The biggest problem (that no one talks about) is that the amount of energy it takes to split the H2 molecules out of water or natural gas is very high. So the cost ($ and emissions) of GETTING the H2 fuel in the first place is problematic. It is a very volatile substance -- H2 wants badly to chemically turn into something else -- which is why the only way to get H2 is to break down some other substance, usually water or natural gas. So handling it takes great care. Because the molecule is so small, confining it without leaks is a challenge. It can harden/embrittle certain metals over time; it can form into a variety of acids which cause corrosion - that has to be carefully considered when you design facilities to transport and store it. And we have ZERO infrastructure in place for any of this -- getting the free form H2 in the first place, cleaning it up, transporting it, storing it, "burning" it. And even when we do all that -- we likely won't gain as much at the tailpipe as it took to create the H2 in the first place.
We're likely to see it used in fuel cells before any widespread use in IC engines.
The fly in the soup (for H2 as a fuel in IC engines) is MUCH bigger than fear. The biggest problem (that no one talks about) is that the amount of energy it takes to split the H2 molecules out of water or natural gas is very high. So the cost ($ and emissions) of GETTING the H2 fuel in the first place is problematic. It is a very volatile substance -- H2 wants badly to chemically turn into something else -- which is why the only way to get H2 is to break down some other substance, usually water or natural gas. So handling it takes great care. Because the molecule is so small, confining it without leaks is a challenge. It can harden/embrittle certain metals over time; it can form into a variety of acids which cause corrosion - that has to be carefully considered when you design facilities to transport and store it. And we have ZERO infrastructure in place for any of this -- getting the free form H2 in the first place, cleaning it up, transporting it, storing it, "burning" it. And even when we do all that -- we likely won't gain as much at the tailpipe as it took to create the H2 in the first place.
We're likely to see it used in fuel cells before any widespread use in IC engines.
The high tech industry has solved most of the storage issues (Chip companies) And yep its beyond cubic dollars. At the end of the day gasoline is hard to beat for ease of storage and BTU output per lb.
I think we will run out of Lithium and the other metals for batteries before we run out of oil..
I own a EV because its convenient and fun to drive. I have no illusions about it saving the planet. At 5 bucks a gallon for gas its way on the road to paying. for itself. based on my miles per week driven, not 100% mind you but its 35 - 50 bucks a month electricity vs say 300 in gasoline.. 
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explosions are very dependent on the containment.. Batteries give off more than pure hydrogen, Believe most give off Hydrogen Sulfide as part of the game.. and they also build up oxygen since your running a mini hydrogen generator with a battery, splitting the o2 and H out of the acid/water blend in the battery, that's why they do their fairly violent show on occasion.In free air hydrogen doesn't have near the same burn rate as say propane or gasoline.. it disperses too fast. Not saying its "safe" but its not near as dangerous as fuel vapor.. Heck its lower than wheat dust.. (grain elevator explosions... )
Many years ago I got my demolitions permit before I could buy beer.. Took a class called applied explosives for civil engineers. Most fun I ever had in school..
Lithium, batteries, electric motors - ugh, don’t get me started. Puts us in a worse energy security scenario than oil/nat gas. Most lithium and other electric motor materials have to come from other countries - including CCP-run China. Who’s basically at war with us. But, once again, nobody called this morning to ask what I thought.
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Electrification won't work. Not yet at least. It is pushed by global governance and big tech because it's a giant wealth transfer scheme. They (government and corporate lobbyists, billionaire tech elites etc) lie about the climate, stroke fear of a crisis and sell you a solution. It's a simple rinse wash and repeat tactic that works again and again because people are uneducated and gullible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7
i drove that car and if you hadn't told me it was hydrogen powered, you'd have never known although probably down on power output compared to the gas version. cryogenic storage is pretty impractical though.
i drove that car and if you hadn't told me it was hydrogen powered, you'd have never known although probably down on power output compared to the gas version. cryogenic storage is pretty impractical though.
